Pilchard Advanced Member Posts:699  
| 10/2/2006 10:58 AM |
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How can someone slag off an album that hasnt been released...faceless forum trollip.
my comments on the Director album refer to me having a pre-release copy of the Director album. I have listened to the Director album and I think - I, as in me, as in one person, as in Pilchard - think its s**te. Are u ok with this?
And when i said "beyond Dublin Bay", i meant the great world beyond IRELAND, not down the country. get that chip off your shoulder, it will make you fall over in the end. Are u OK with this one too?
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| 10/2/2006 11:15 AM |
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Heard more of what they do ?? If you sent a demo to someone do you think they would give you a chance if they didnt like the first thing they heard ? if you have better material to offer then release it first if you want universal appeal !!OF COARSE that isent realistic because bands are allways evolving but either is to say i havent given them a chance when i have heard what they have to offer didnt like it and chose not to listhen to any more of it . Jesus would understand ... read the bible its there in black and white . If a song is good its good irish band or not . i find the only time people get begrudgetyey is when theres a sniff of people dissapearing up there own arse ,doesent seem to be the case with the bands were talking about .
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PeterQuaife Basic Member Posts:436
| 10/2/2006 11:31 AM |
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Originally posted by Pilchard
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Originally posted by PeterQuaife
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How can someone slag off an album that hasnt been released...faceless forum trollip.
my comments on the Director album refer to me having a pre-release copy of the Director album. I have listened to the Director album and I think - I, as in me, as in one person, as in Pilchard - think its s**te. Are u ok with this?
And when i said "beyond Dublin Bay", i meant the great world beyond IRELAND, not down the country. get that chip off your shoulder, it will make you fall over in the end. Are u OK with this one too?
everyon is entitled to his/her/its opinion
i knew exactly what you meant with outside dublin bay..who gives a flying fu$k if a major label/radio station doesnt pick up on a tune/band and launch it to international stardom..whats wrong with a band making a few waves in ireland??? you rate a band on international sales? and as soon as a local act makes it big, I'm sure you'll be at the front of queue to bring them right back down to earth..throw away comments rock..and i dont even have to explain myself..
You, my friend are the one with the chip on your shoulder..what is your input to music in ireland, and of it positive? hand on heart, did it not float yer boat, or was it indeed 'sh!te'..thats a strong descriptive word sir
PQ
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PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
| 10/2/2006 11:51 AM |
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Originally posted by PeterQuaife
I knew exactly what you meant with outside dublin bay..who gives a flying fu$k if a major label/radio station doesnt pick up on a tune/band and launch it to international stardom.
where exactly did i say ANYTHING about a major label or "major" radio station?? Dont put words in my mouth to back up your arguments.
I stand over my original post - irish bands get a soft run in ireland which doesnt do them any good when they leave ireland and get proper criticism. the irish industry needs more than a fatwa on criticism to succeed.
my input to music in ireland? 15 years of buying CDs, records and tickets. that good enough for u?
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roadhousemagBasic Member Posts:124
| 10/2/2006 12:12 PM |
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this is turning into silly thread.
fact is like absolutely everything, people like different things. only in this country a persons opinion on music has to be backed up by 15 reasons why its is so.
I think there are loads of s**te bands in ireland. i also think there are lots of s**te radio djs. i think there are loads of good ones too.
I'll tell you one thing I can derive from this though for sure, is that Irish musicians and music fans in general would want to get over themselves and get a bit more thick skinned. most of us will wind up doing something in life we dont like to make a living. If a person chooses to stand/sit/lie on a stage and reveal their thoughts through music then they must be prepared to accept that a) it doesnt guarantee a paycheck every week, b)its difficult to draw interest and c) some people are not going to dig it.
Ladies and gentlemen who play music in Ireland, get over it. If Pilchard doesnt like a certain group,he can just express his opinion that he/she/they are s**te. He shouldn't need a fookin court argument to back it up.
If he feels director, or humanzi or whoever are s**te, than thats it, hes made his mind up. I dont like peanut butter, panda are not gonna come on this board stressing at me cos i dont buy what they produce.
This country is hyper fookin sensitive, jesus get a fookin tradeor an office job if you dont like public criticism...
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PeterQuaifeBasic Member Posts:436
| 10/2/2006 12:13 PM |
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Originally posted by Pilchard
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Originally posted by PeterQuaife
I knew exactly what you meant with outside dublin bay..who gives a flying fu$k if a major label/radio station doesnt pick up on a tune/band and launch it to international stardom.
where exactly did i say ANYTHING about a major label or "major" radio station?? Dont put words in my mouth to back up your arguments.
tell me then, how is a irish indie band gonna make it big outside ireland? where does the money come from to go on the road continously to push your wares? if a major label or indie label like rough trade/sub-pop with a bit of cash behind them or major UK / US radio station doesnt get involved, then how? have you any idea the work that goes into even a small uk tour? i'm intrigued. you should release a book..'breaking out of ireland on a shoe-string'..it takes a lot more than a good tune..you should try someday.
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I stand over my original post - irish bands get a soft run in ireland which doesnt do them any good when they leave ireland and get proper criticism. the irish industry needs more than a fatwa on criticism to succeed.
what on gods green earth does this mean? soft-run/proper criticism....
fala flapalalalalal
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my input to music in ireland? 15 years of buying CDs, records and tickets. that good enough for u?
fair play til thee
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PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
| 10/2/2006 12:17 PM |
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Originally posted by PeterQuaife
tell me then, how is a irish indie band gonna make it big outside ireland? where does the money come from to go on the road continously to push your wares? if a major label or indie label like rough trade/sub-pop with a bit of cash behind them or major UK / US radio station doesnt get involved, then how? have you any idea the work that goes into even a small uk tour? i'm intrigued. you should release a book..'breaking out of ireland on a shoe-string'..it takes a lot more than a good tune..you should try someday.
totally different argument for a totally different discussion on a totally different thread.
if u want to start one of those, use the New Topic button and we'll all join in if we feel it warrants our time and attention.
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PeterQuaifeBasic Member Posts:436
| 10/2/2006 12:30 PM |
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we will have a thriving industry here when we have the bands who can make records to make the world beyond dublin bay sit up and pay attention
how?
same argument for the same discussion on the same thread.
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Rev Jules Veteran Member Posts:1041
| 10/2/2006 1:01 PM |
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Originally posted by alameda
points taken jules, but c'mon - you can't compare steve reich to the immediate
i think reich was a real innovator, some of the stuff he came up with was way ahead of it's time but he's been around since the dawn of time and has had decades to hone his style and develop his sound, whilst the immediate have only just released their debut album and are still learning their trade
if the immediate haven't moved on and sound the same in 3/4 years time, THEN you might have a point
Sorry age and senority have nothing to do with musical ability, case in in point Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, who was wowing audiences before he was 10 years of age
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nerrawBasic Member Posts:475
| 10/2/2006 1:07 PM |
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This thread has jumped the shark with the Mozart comparisons.
I agree with Pilchard, that Irish bands do get an easy ride here. Absolutely no reason why an Irish band can't go to the UK and have the same success there as they do here. It works the other way, so I would guess musical tastes are similar.
Some Irish bands are greatly over rated here and is perhaps one of the reasons why they can't make it in a city a hundred miles away.
There is a disproportionate amount of bands just popular in Dublin/Ireland.
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PeterQuaifeBasic Member Posts:436
| 10/2/2006 1:17 PM |
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Originally posted by nerraw
This thread has jumped the shark with the Mozart comparisons.
Absolutely no reason why an Irish band can't go to the UK and have the same success there as they do here. It works the other way, so I would guess musical tastes are similar.
there end'th the argument. it was so simple all along
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alamedaBasic Member Posts:121
| 10/2/2006 1:46 PM |
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Originally posted by Rev Jules
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Originally posted by alameda
points taken jules, but c'mon - you can't compare steve reich to the immediate
i think reich was a real innovator, some of the stuff he came up with was way ahead of it's time but he's been around since the dawn of time and has had decades to hone his style and develop his sound, whilst the immediate have only just released their debut album and are still learning their trade
if the immediate haven't moved on and sound the same in 3/4 years time, THEN you might have a point
Sorry age and senority have nothing to do with musical ability, case in in point Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, who was wowing audiences before he was 10 years of age
http://www.mozartproject.org/biography/bi_61_65.html
Fair point Jules but at the same time a lot of bands get better over time, FACT.  Case in point Radiohead, first album -> two or three great songs and a lot of average ones, but with each passing album they've grown in confidence and ability and developed their sound over the years to produce consistently brillant and challenging music
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Rev JulesVeteran Member Posts:1041
| 10/2/2006 2:26 PM |
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Originally posted by alameda
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Originally posted by Rev Jules
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Originally posted by alameda
points taken jules, but c'mon - you can't compare steve reich to the immediate
i think reich was a real innovator, some of the stuff he came up with was way ahead of it's time but he's been around since the dawn of time and has had decades to hone his style and develop his sound, whilst the immediate have only just released their debut album and are still learning their trade
if the immediate haven't moved on and sound the same in 3/4 years time, THEN you might have a point
Sorry age and senority have nothing to do with musical ability, case in in point Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, who was wowing audiences before he was 10 years of age
http://www.mozartproject.org/biography/bi_61_65.html
Fair point Jules but at the same time a lot of bands get better over time, FACT. Case in point Radiohead, first album -> two or three great songs and a lot of average ones, but with each passing album they've grown in confidence and ability and developed their sound over the years to produce consistently brillant and challenging music
Hmm, dont quite agree there, 'the bends' was probably their best album and that was number 2, then came 'ok computer' after that a slow slide into electro noodling |
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milkmanBasic Member Posts:119
| 10/2/2006 3:07 PM |
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backlash anyone?
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Rev JulesVeteran Member Posts:1041
| 10/2/2006 3:58 PM |
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backlash anyone?
Wait, before you all go off on me, let me go on from that. 'The Bends' was Radiohead's second album and one of the sacred cows of orthodox music journalism is 'difficult second album syndrome' but I think thats a myth, actually think I'll start a new topic on it.
http://www.cluas.com/discussion/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7894 |
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jmc105Basic Member Posts:188
| 10/2/2006 7:14 PM |
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Originally posted by Rev Jules
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Sorry age and senority have nothing to do with musical ability, case in in point Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, who was wowing audiences before he was 10 years of age
http://www.mozartproject.org/biography/bi_61_65.html
i don't think it's fair to use mozart as the standard of musical ability bands must measure up to! |
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DaraghAdvanced Member Posts:666
| 10/2/2006 8:49 PM |
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Sorry age and senority have nothing to do with musical ability, case in in point Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, who was wowing audiences before he was 10 years of age
http://www.mozartproject.org/biography/bi_61_65.html
i don't think it's fair to use mozart as the standard of musical ability bands must measure up to!
cos if any kid tried to be in a band now, hed be "some self serving f**ker who can throw a few chords together but doesnt know s**t about life, man!"
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UnicronVeteran Member Posts:1696
| 10/2/2006 9:08 PM |
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Originally posted by Daragh
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Originally posted by Rev Jules
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Sorry age and senority have nothing to do with musical ability, case in in point Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, who was wowing audiences before he was 10 years of age
http://www.mozartproject.org/biography/bi_61_65.html
i don't think it's fair to use mozart as the standard of musical ability bands must measure up to!
cos if any kid tried to be in a band now, hed be "some self serving f**ker who can throw a few chords together but doesnt know s**t about life, man!"
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jmc105Basic Member Posts:188
| 10/3/2006 12:58 AM |
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Originally posted by Daragh
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Originally posted by jmc105
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Originally posted by Rev Jules
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Sorry age and senority have nothing to do with musical ability, case in in point Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, who was wowing audiences before he was 10 years of age
http://www.mozartproject.org/biography/bi_61_65.html
i don't think it's fair to use mozart as the standard of musical ability bands must measure up to!
cos if any kid tried to be in a band now, hed be "some self serving f**ker who can throw a few chords together but doesnt know s**t about life, man!"
(thats not a dig at you, seems like ya got to cover your ass these days!)
i have my lawyer working on a non-liability clause - the cluas clause, if you will - which will be included in all my posts to indemnify me against any action that may arise from the content of said posts. this clause will, of course, remain the intellectual property of the entity known as 'jmc105', and any other poster seeking to use the clause, in its entirety or in part, notwithstanding the presence of the 'cluas' clause in their posts and the subsequent non-liability protection afforded by said clause, will be in breach of intellectual copyright. tick tacks no backs.  |
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LupusMusic New Member Posts:19
| 10/3/2006 3:06 PM |
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How the f**k can we get a thriving industry going here if people just feel free to take a half informed s**t on the best we have.
we will have a thriving industry here when we have the bands who can make records to make the world beyond dublin bay sit up and pay attention
I dont know u but i do appreciate the work u and your acts have put into your music to get this far. however, its not good enough. the director album is extremely weak (despite all the "work" u went on about) and i really doubt if there is a strong, coherent debut album in the marshalls
as long as there has been even a biteen of a music industry here, various industry insiders have carped on about "negative comments" and "criticism" as reasons keeping the irish industry down.
No, no, no. what keeps the irish music industry is the ha'penny place is the lack of bands with BRILLIANT SONGS, AMBITIONS, BELIEF and - yes, because u do need this as well - THE WILLINGNESS TO PUT IN HARD WORK BOTH HERE AND ABROAD.
please dont play a game of smoke and mirrors by moaning about how we should all pull together and get the irish industry working. what that will result in is even more s**te irish bands being hyped and plamased here and then falling head over arse when they leave the country.
we're far too soft on our own kind. once we start to excercise some quality control, we might get somewhere.
Again, that is your opinion, which I disagree with as do the majority of people who have heard said music.
Why you are getting mails from me my friend, is your two statments_ that one of my acts will not be released in the uk and the other will be dropped.
(I don't personally mind that you think the rest of the bands actually selling records here are no good either, It kind of proves a point.)
I think you should make an apology for statments like that they are both unfounded untrue and a pile of CACK and if you do represent a publication I'd like to see you put it in print. Good luck with that, make sure I get a copy.
Also Posting that rubbish here in the guise of bob the builders cat doesn't take much balls now does it?
I read a lot of rubbish even personal attacks on myself and mates in the industry. I don't normally get involved but when you think you can state that rubbish about two great bands and make sweeping statments on an industry many people are working hard to improve you need to be put in your place.
To answer the rest of your comment Home markets are an important starting point. And bands release here before the uk because their profile often exceeds the UK well in advance.
The time to release here comes quicker.
For the first time we actually have five or six bands signed to the uk and touring and releasing there. I'd like to hear from one band member on this forum that would not like to be signed to an indie or major or if self releasing at least have the money to tour/market their record properly in the uk
If you think that triple the amount of work won't go into the UK and Europe you are mad! Bands do not have a soft time here either that is complete childish crap. Airplay/press/Racking and retail support/ live fan base/marketing etc costs the same here in hours,money and effort and is hard won. If you had ever successfully done this you would know just how hard. Two of the bands you slated in the last week alone have returned from a gig in cork at 5 in the morning got up at nine for radio instore at lunch time into sound check and giged again that night. Which part of that do you think was an easy ride. On top of the set up advertising etc???
Your head has the only "very local" problem in this discussion.
I'd hazzard a guess that you have no idea the set up it takes to release a record in the uk.
So maybe you need to watch for a while and see what happens before you get back on that horse of yours.
There is no smoke and mirriors. You are seeing a bunch of newly signed acts getting ready for next year abroad. All have played non stop in the UK last year and will continue to do so next year. I for one do know the effort and talent (not that you'll agree!!) of the artists working in and from this country at the moment and there will be success from these bands there already is.
This is my last post on this.
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