as i said before, apart from the people on this forum and the crowd that follow local music in temple bar, nobody has heard these guys play music, they have received virtually no radio play yet have released two singles of the album??? why? when they had the money and the people to make it happen why werent they on the radio? add that to the fact that they were made "exclusive" for eight months...i mean they were showing up in the papers but nobody could figure out who they were??they were doing interviews and making silly statements about politics that really were quite embarrassing, i mean they hadnt even released a fookin record!! whatever personal grip carroll has, it doesnt matter, he is a critic. bangs was a critic, he called jim morrisson an overrated drunken buffoon....now, do ye think jim gave a s**t? harden up lads.......

how does one go about discovering "offical chart figures". Somehow me thinks these figures are not so "official". Don't believe everything you read.

Thomas Walsh - in essence, who gives a fiddlers if Humanzi and The Immediate have been "very vocal" (any links to the articles?) about their love for yer tunes? That means nothing to anyone except you. There was no need to involve yourself in this affair. Egomaniac.

Originally posted by Mully Am I correct in saying that not all sales are counted, only a number of (supposedly) random stores, as like a strawpoll ? I also heard that, where you buy a record counts as numerous sales in some cases ... i.e. a sale in the Airport is worth 4 sales in the high street. i dont know the exact numbers on all that mully and i am open to correction but i think the vast majority of shops are now on the charttrack system. naturally, there may be some shops which are not but all the big uns and the indies (like road etc) are in the system. regarding how one record counts as numerous sales, no. i've never heard that before and it would surprise me. what u heard might have something to do with a system which prevailed in the old days when they had a certain amount of chart-return shops, these were supposed to be secret but every label knew which ones were the chart-return shops and targetted them accordingly. louis walsh, allegedly, knows all about that!

Read the article, as a polemic it worked. Obviously designed to piss people off and it did. However, at the end of it, I was asking myself why? What was the point of the column? It was nasty and vindictive and not objective in the least. His main point seemed to be Humanzi are s**t. It was a typical case of the self obessed music critic. I don't know about the rest of you but does anyone actually pay heed to what a critic says? Comparing the sale of Humanzi's 500 cds to the Immediate's 1000 is a bit ridiculous and pointless.

Agreed, the internet is full of wannabe critics and critics alike. Wasn't refering to specifically Caroll, who I find humerous and interesting for the most part. Last week's column appeared to be just a vindictive rant backed up with shoddy argument about a difference in sales of 500. What I was refering to is that sometimes unintentional hilarity of some reviews with flowery imagery etc. Just give it some stars and leave it at that.

a critic is a person who tends too readily to make captious, trivial, or harsh judgments; a faultfinder. I would say a certain degree of narrow-mindness and obnoxiousness would be necessary characteristics of somebody who boasts to be a critic. Harldy something to aspire to be.

Is this really neccesary? I don't know how Pilchard and yourself can take offence to Thomas posts, and these retorts offer nothing to the discussion. Yet again however, they highlight the narrow mindedness of many of the posters on this board, and in a round about way, back up Mr Carrolls article. Why should someone being supportive of Pugwash be such an issue? Why is Thomas Walsh an 'egomaniac' for thanking these two 'bands' for this? And Flux, why shouldn't Thomas Walsh get involved in this? Why did you?? hmmh I think he was just annoyed after Thomas started the reply to his question with idiot . Also it did come across a little egotistical BUT that's nobodies business but his . Off topic but i like to look at things from every angle.

Carrol definitely has something against Humanzi. Over the last year he has had a few digs at them. Jim Carrol wrote May 13 2005. "Naturally, there's been some indignant spluttering about what's happened to these acts. Humanzi in particular have come in for special peer attention, due to the purported size of their deal and their past form as Listo, the band from a cheesy oldVodafone advert. But this always happens, especially on the tiny-minded Dublin scene, where local musicians favour backbiting and begrudgery above writing decent tunes. Jim Carrol wrote December 30 2005 on his predictions for 2006. "Here, thanks to Discotheque's psychic powers (that's psychic, not psycho), are the music stories you will be reading in the coming months. ...Humanzi singer slams reviews of new album": Humanzi singer Shaun Mulrooney reacted angrily yesterday to a slew of negative reviews which the band's debut album has received from Irish critics. "They were all on about the record deal and ignored the music completely," he moaned. "We're not Sigue Sigue Sputnik, you know what I mean?" When pressed on the fact that most reviews of We Got the Money, Baby (And You Didn't) actually highlighted the band's poor, dreary, second-hand punk riffs and the singer's own inability to hold a note, rather than mentioning any record deal, Mulrooney hung up in a huff." He also had a few digs in May when talking about compilation albums "After all, an album of bands who sound just like, say, Humanzi will make much more cash for the label than a debut Humanzi album could possibly ever do." And again when discussing channel 6 "And, aside from the show's puzzling desire to play a lot of Humanzi and the equally pointless Red Organ Serpent Sound, the show gets this right too." The case rests m'lud. ;) And congrats to Una for mentioning "as a music critic" a million times ;)

It seems crystal clear that Mr. Carrol's familiarity of the music of new(ish) Irish bands is so severely limited that he must re-use humanzi as a tool in which to make his onius comparisions. Either that or the grudge is personal..

jeez nerraw, are things that quiet in your place? or have u been keeping a file on all this? i hope jim carrol appreciates all your hard work there - u seem to be as obssesed with him as he is with humanzi

Very quiet today :lol I already said previously that I like his columns. No file, just a quick search on lexus nexus and copy and paste, 2mins. I am definitely obsessed with him though, two comments in relation to him prove that. Just thought it was relevant to the discussion to show what he has written about them in the past if people are to accuse him of having a grudge. But mainly becaus things are quiet and its monday.

"odious"