petethumped New Member Posts:4  
| 8/17/2006 1:08 PM |
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Originally posted by nerraw
It's all getting a bit ridiculous at this stage. Thumped are clearly jumping on the mcd are w**kers bandwagon.
You can't beat MCD, accept it and move on. Banning any mention of their name or gigs won't work. I'm still going to find out if Daft Punk etc are playing.
This has nothing to do with wanting to "beat MCD".
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elmo95 Basic Member Posts:156
| 8/17/2006 2:26 PM |
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This has everything to do showing that they are finally taken a peg down in terms of treatment of their near-monopoly on the concert market which means they can get away with pricing as it stands. How would the majority of people know about any 'serious unrest' if MCD stop anyone from telling others about what did or didn't happen which goes to show that they wanted to put a stop to any bad publicity whether there was truth in it or not. The fact that they did threaten boards indicates that they do have a skeleton in the closet.
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Pilchard Advanced Member Posts:699
| 8/17/2006 2:27 PM |
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Originally posted by nerraw
Serious unrest? The vast majority of people didn't realise there was 'riots.' A few oul wans calling Joe Duffy. Such was the serious unrest one paper had to make up photos to illustrate it.
Just going to agree to disagree on this.
the vast majority will have realised NOW that there was alleged trouble on the campsite because of the way this story has been featured in The Evening Herald, Irish Independent, Sunday Times, Irish Times, The Star and countless others in the MONTH since the event ended. this will have a bearing on how MCD and Oxegen are perceived in the future. unless, of course, media organisations (other than the ones above) continue to try to keep MCD on side by not allowing their reporters report on this story.
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nerrawBasic Member Posts:475
| 8/17/2006 2:58 PM |
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So people at Oxegen only realised there was serious unrest at Oxegen weeks after the actual festival through newspaper reports?
That would make me believe there was no serious unrest if 69,985 didn't notice it.
To answer Elmo's question about how are people supposed to find out about the unrest. Well, the old fashion way of actually witnessing it. Serious unrest doesn't go unnoticed yet we are to believe at Oxegen it did.
It didn't stop people camping at Hifi weeks later. MCD are greedy rip off merchants and plenty of people have an axe to grind with them. But hysteria over a few tents on fire isn't the way to do it.
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PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
| 8/17/2006 3:21 PM |
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Originally posted by nerraw
So people at Oxegen only realised there was serious unrest at Oxegen weeks after the actual festival through newspaper reports?
That would make me believe there was no serious unrest if 69,985 didn't notice it.
hold on a second there nerraw, my good man/woman. thats a stupid line if ever i heard one. so if only 35 people realise there was serious trouble at an event attended by 70,000 people then this troubledidnt actually happen? if i was as crass as u were in another post when u mentioned the Lebanon, i could also point out many events throughout world history where that argument was used as an excuse.
get real, oxegen 2006 has hurt MCD in many ways (for instance, one brand currently associated with Oxegen are re-assessing their involvement because of the negative press and how long the story has continued). this one marks a turning point and if u are refusing to see that, well, thats your lookout.
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nerrawBasic Member Posts:475
| 8/17/2006 3:34 PM |
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Pilchard, my good man/woman. Serious trouble at an event with 70,000 attending is going to be noticed by quite a lot of people. It didn't happen. There wasn't serious trouble at oxegen, end of. Unless our definitions of serious trouble differ.
You're using a previous comment of mine in relation to praising journalists and linking it to another comment on witnesses of the crowd trouble.
If we are to praise journalists, lets praise them for covering the Lebanon and not covering a page 15 story about MCD suing an irish website which involved making a couple of phone calls and internet surfing.
It won't hurt MCD or Oxegen. They're too big.
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PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
| 8/17/2006 4:13 PM |
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Originally posted by nerraw
Pilchard, my good man/woman. Serious trouble at an event with 70,000 attending is going to be noticed by quite a lot of people. It didn't happen. There wasn't serious trouble at oxegen, end of. Unless our definitions of serious trouble differ.
my definition of serious trouble at a music festival involves dozens of complaints about attacks and vandalism on a campsite under the nose of security men. I dont know about you but I wouldnt like to have spent over 150 euros on a weekend to be cowering terrified in my tent. If you dont think that happened, talk to some of the people who have been quoted in the newspapers and on radio.
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Originally posted by nerraw
You're using a previous comment of mine in relation to praising journalists and linking it to another comment on witnesses of the crowd trouble.
sorry, i couldnt resist 
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Originally posted by nerraw
If we are to praise journalists, lets praise them for covering the Lebanon and not covering a page 15 story about MCD suing an irish website which involved making a couple of phone calls and internet surfing.
again, nerrow, i didnt say "praise". please do not put words in my mouth. go back and read my original posts. the word "praise" does not appear.
thats twice u have mis-quoted me. i hope you dont work on a newsdesk
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Originally posted by nerraw
It won't hurt MCD or Oxegen. They're too big.
nonsense. this has hurt MCD and Oxegen in many ways. refer to my last post and especially those brands currently associated with the event
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nerrawBasic Member Posts:475
| 8/17/2006 4:43 PM |
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You said: "deserves kudos for their determination and perseverence in getting the story out."
This will run and run lol.
I'm just sceptical at how susceptible (poet) MCD and the likes are to such criticisms. With no competition its just business as usual.
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dudleyBasic Member Posts:124
| 8/17/2006 4:53 PM |
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well you know, if the negative publicity continues to be generated then it definitely won't be an issue MCD can just trample all over and walk away with.
they don't have a divine right to put on a festival, and when it comes to convincing local residents and planning authorities it often takes some work. continued bad press will surely put their festival licence applications into question?
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PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
| 8/17/2006 6:05 PM |
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Originally posted by nerraw
I'm just sceptical at how susceptible (poet) MCD and the likes are to such criticisms. With no competition its just business as usual.
read dudley's post and put it with what ive already said in 2 or 3 other mails.
this will have a huge effect on MCD because of third-parties who are not as arrogant as MCD in dismissing valid complaints, charges and allegations about what happeed at Oxegen 2006.
yes, they will try to be business as usual not because there is no competition but because that has always been their way. when it comes to licence hearings next year (an election year, remember), expect there to be some delays and a lot of questions asked because of how MCD operated this year.
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faughnj3New Member Posts:14
| 8/18/2006 1:33 PM |
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Originally posted by nerraw
Pilchard, my good man/woman. Serious trouble at an event with 70,000 attending is going to be noticed by quite a lot of people. It didn't happen. There wasn't serious trouble at oxegen, end of. Unless our definitions of serious trouble differ.
Unless you have taken a survey, stop speaking for in 70,000 people.
I saw campsite A, it did happen! |
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| 8/20/2006 6:56 PM |
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Hi, I've just registered and wanted to put up the link to mcd's feedback form if anyone wants to email them their thoughts on the action. http://www.mcd.ie/feedback/index.php
I just sent them this;
Your action against boards.ie is a pathetic attempt at bullying a community forum, which is largely made up of your biggest customer base, young, fairly well-off professionals and teenagers. It is both stupid and aggressive.
I am writing this to inform you that to me this is the final straw. I have long disliked many of your company's methods and business practices and will no longer be attending any of your events. Instead I will be heading to the UK for any concerts I wish to see. Your company generally over-charges to such an extent that it usually works out cheaper for me to fly to gigs in London anyway. And I am not the only one who feels this way, a large number of my social group has also come to the same conclusion.
Instead of being smart and using a service like boards to monitor what many of your customers have to say about your events, and using it as free market research, to help improve your business you have resorted to cheap bullying tactics which will backfire. Just do a google search on the words "mcd + boards.ie" It is also worth mentioning that boards has over 60,000 users, all whom are now aware of your legal action.
And just so you know, I am a 27 year old married homeowner. Childless and with a bloody large disposable income. Congratulations on losing my custom.
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