Pilchard Advanced Member Posts:699  
| 8/14/2006 3:25 PM |
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Originally posted by nerraw
I haven't read anything about MCD that wasn't known already.
what else is there?? theyre the biggest promoters in the land so surely if theyre up to unsavoury things (other than treating s**te irish bands badly), it would be out there.
this episode marks a real turning point for MCD. i've never seen them so badly rattled by an issue like this - and i've never seen the media react with such relish to a story about them. up to now, all the allegations and charges and claims could never be proven - bulletin board tittle-tattle often has no substance - but this is different. the story aint over yet!
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nerraw Basic Member Posts:475
| 8/14/2006 3:54 PM |
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I agree it is a turning point for MCD. As you say they are really rattled. I wonder will have it similar result as the McLibel trial
They may win the case but it'll mean alot of people been called forward to give evidence against MCD.
Wonder what Hotpress will do on it?
It is a massive own goal/ PR disaster for them. Why go after Boards? Must be more to the story.
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elmo95Basic Member Posts:156
| 8/14/2006 4:05 PM |
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The whereabouts of Una has an underlying sinister taste to it, as this story of legal action against MCD and her own planned article about oxegen runs hand in hand. We all know this but where in the hell is she indeed
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John DoeBasic Member Posts:338
| 8/14/2006 4:17 PM |
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Originally posted by elmo95
The whereabouts of Una has an underlying sinister taste to it, as this story of legal action against MCD and her own planned article about oxegen runs hand in hand. We all know this but where in the hell is she indeed
Has anyone reported her disappearance to Amnesty International ?  |
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PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
| 8/14/2006 4:23 PM |
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Originally posted by John Doe
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Originally posted by elmo95
The whereabouts of Una has an underlying sinister taste to it, as this story of legal action against MCD and her own planned article about oxegen runs hand in hand. We all know this but where in the hell is she indeed
Has anyone reported her disappearance to Amnesty International ?
maybe bono could arrange a petition to get her back once hes finished moving all his cash to Amsterdamn?
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deraBasic Member Posts:163
| 8/14/2006 5:00 PM |
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Originally posted by palace
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I hope with the success of Castlepalooza there will be more independent promotors who actually put the music and fan first to put more gigs on.
seriously, there are some great independent promoters out there... whilst i'm not trying to argue the fact that mcd and aiken have a stranglehold on the market, if we all started looking up and attending gigs by u:mack, skinny wolves, deserted village, twisted robot, lazybird, not only would we be wrestling power away from the big corporates, we would also be exposing ourselves to some mighty fine independent (and often under the radar) music...
Absolutely. U:mack, Skinny Wolves, Foggy Notions and Deserted Village have engineered something of a quiet revolution in the last year or two already, bypassing mainstream channels more or less completely. I'd venture that there are more people than just me who in the last year have attended far more gigs put on independently by them than MCD or Aiken events. |
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AntistarAdvanced Member Posts:544
| 8/14/2006 5:03 PM |
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I saw her being bundled into a black van by Justin Green!!!
Ah, only joking Justin, MCD would never stoop to such levels, of course they wouldn't, fine upstanding music promoter, Sir! Please don't sue me!  |
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| 8/14/2006 6:32 PM |
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Originally posted by nerraw
It is a massive own goal/ PR disaster for them. Why go after Boards? Must be more to the story.
Simple, boards.ie are an easy target. It's one thing to try and sue a large newspaper corporation who equally give them a run for their money in the courts, it's a completey different thing suing a privately owned, not for profit website which has no full-time staff and no expensive legal team. Negative publicity on a website like boards.ie which has around 60,000 members, the majority of whom are in MCD's consumer demograph is probably as damaging as having a negative article written in a crappy tabloid. I can't recall the tabloid in question, but whichever one it was they had an article written around all sorts of inaccurate statements and figures and had a picture of a fire from the Reading or Leeds festival! Why haven't they had legal action taken against them? My point is proven. MCD are going after boards.ie because they are vulnerable but yet the most popular discussion forum in Ireland, MCD want to make a statement to ALL discussion forums they will hunt you down to try to scare you. The fact MCD have not taken any legal action as of yet against any of the tabloids who have wrote IMO far far far worse articles than anything that appeared on boards.ie shows one thing and one thing only, MCD know they have little or no case to take this to newspaper corporations who will give them a far more sterner fight in court than a website like boards.ie.
I hope all discussion forums including cluas.com don't give in to these big corporate bully boy tactics. If you make an exception for MCD like boards.ie have done you'll have to make exceptions for the dvd companies who you say ''their product was faulty'' or the beer company who you say ''their product tastes like piss'', it will never end.
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ctrlaltdeleteBasic Member Posts:268
| 8/14/2006 6:38 PM |
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I'm rooting for MCD.
Boards is pretty crap.
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| 8/14/2006 6:43 PM |
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Originally posted by ctrlaltdelete
I'm rooting for MCD.
Boards is pretty crap.
But if MCD win and have their way then cluas will have to be censored and just about everywhere else, what affects boards.ie will affect everyone else and this comes from me who's been banned on a few occassions on boards for nothing but personality clashes by many of the moderating d**ks that run around like children flaunting their official boards.ie moderating badges. |
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vandalaBasic Member Posts:267
| 8/14/2006 7:23 PM |
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Originally posted by kool-1
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Originally posted by ctrlaltdelete
I'm rooting for MCD.
Boards is pretty crap.
But if MCD win and have their way then cluas will have to be censored and just about everywhere else, what affects boards.ie will affect everyone else and this comes from me who's been banned on a few occassions on boards for nothing but personality clashes by many of the moderating d**ks that run around like children flaunting their official boards.ie moderating badges.
Now, let's not confuse "censorship" with defamation. Libel laws exist for arguably good reasons, allowing the individual/organisation a legitimate defence against an unprovoked attack in the press. Admittedly, however, the defamation laws in Ireland have a repuation for being particularly draconian.
Having said that, I don't think MCD have a leg to stand on here, because, as already discussed, a message board is simply "opinions" which aren't necessarily endorsed by the parent company. There's also some kind of "fair comment" defence in Irish defamation law.
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DaraghAdvanced Member Posts:666
| 8/14/2006 10:20 PM |
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why arent they suing cluas too?
dont read boards, but from what i can see the topics were pretty similar on both? maybe it was more strictly moderated here, but i dunno?
think it is a load of s**t though, free speech should be just that. if someone wants to give an opinion so be it, and as vandala said there is no "official" opinion, or support.
would definitely agree that independent promoters would be the way to go, only problem is that they are independent and so face huge obstacles, bit of a catch 22. Especially since the majority of people who make mcd their money seem to have no interest in going to smaller indie style thangs.
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vandalaBasic Member Posts:267
| 8/14/2006 10:49 PM |
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Originally posted by Daragh
why arent they suing cluas too?
The Sunday Times article says that legal action was taken in response to a statement that was defamatory. Statement as in singular, not statements. We can all say things like "MCD is crap" but it's hardly going to invoke the wrath of a libel suit.
Does anyone know which specific statement MCD have decided was defamatory? If I were to hazard a guess, I'd say it's about the sexual assault. They're hardly going to get the big guns in about a bunch of tents being burnt, right?
Interestingly, the Indo ran a new story over the weekend about an alleged rape at Oxegyn. That's obviously a volatile allegation and might be what's at the heart of this.
Finally, the "fair comment" defence is apparently not applicable in this case. There is a good discussion of libel issues on bulletin boards here:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054949901 |
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DaraghAdvanced Member Posts:666
| 8/14/2006 11:21 PM |
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ah cheers, i had actually read that but it didnt click.
just read most of that boards thread you linked to, it does seem to be a pretty huge issue.will be interesting to see what happens, but wonder how long we'll have to wait!
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PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
| 8/14/2006 11:40 PM |
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there also seems to be also something happening with Thumped - there was a lengthy thread today about Boards and MCD which was pulled completely (and not just lockd) without any explanation whatsoever.
Cluas moderators, u might want to be a little careful
Una was last seen humming The X Files theme tune
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petethedrummer New Member Posts:38
| 8/15/2006 9:26 AM |
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Originally posted by Pilchard
Una was last seen humming The X Files theme tune
who does Una work for?? |
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palaceBasic Member Posts:392
| 8/15/2006 9:59 AM |
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una "allegedly" works for the tribune, pete... she was "allegedly" going to write an article about this for last sunday's edition and "allegedly" hasn't been seen since... quite strange considering how ubiquitous around these parts she usually is...
she's "definitely" been abducted by mcd... a mate of a mate of a mate told me so
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Una Veteran Member Posts:1721
| 8/15/2006 10:04 AM |
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hello!
I would love to get involved in this discussion, but I probably shouldn't. The article I was writing wasn't published for reasons beyond my control - that's not to say it won't be in the (near) future. The only thing I WILL say is that I think all the journalists who have written articles about this issue to date should be praised for their determination, as an undue amount of pressure and legal wranglings wreck one's head when one is trying to get the story out there.
Rock on.
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nerrawBasic Member Posts:475
| 8/15/2006 10:22 AM |
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Oh please. Writing about MCD is hardly something to be praised for. It's not Lebanon. I think we should be criticising people for not writing about it.
I suspect legal wranglings have fvck all to do with a newspaper not running with an article. If the copy is true, accurate and fair comment, the lawyers and editor will have no problem passing it. However, commercial interests and advertising revenue is another matter.
A full page AD is usually taken out by MCD in most Sunday papers and at least once a week in the dailies. A full colour page can cost over €20,000 which MCD frequently take out. Times that by 52 and it is a lot of money to lose if MCD were to withdraw their advertising. And therein lies the problem.
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PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
| 8/15/2006 10:30 AM |
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Originally posted by nerraw
Oh please. Writing about MCD is hardly something to be praised for. It's not Lebanon. I think we should be criticising people for not writing about it.
I suspect legal wranglings have fvck all to do with a newspaper not running with an article. If the copy is true, accurate and fair comment, the lawyers and editor will have no problem passing it. However, commercial interests and advertising revenue is another matter.
A full page AD is usually taken out by MCD in most Sunday papers and at least once a week in the dailies. A full colour page can cost over €20,000 which MCD frequently take out. Times that by 52 and it is a lot of money to lose if MCD were to withdraw their advertising. And therein lies the problem.
its blatantly obvious that Nerraw doesnt or hasnt worked in a newsroom. Una is right - the amount of pressure which has been brought to bear on ANY hack writing about MCD and Oxegen in the last few weeks is, in an Irish context, quite remarkable.
everyone who has managed to have a piece published has gone thru the legal wrangler - irish libel laws are notoriously tough and newspaper lawyers have to make sure the published pieces will stand the test of a trial. they (and their editors) thus deserves kudos for their determination and perseverence in getting the story out.
"criticising people for not writing about it" - well, conversely, what about some respect then for those who HAVE got the pieces published? as una explained between the lines, there are very simple reasons why other pieces have not ran.
to mention lebanon in this context is just so stupid that it doesnt even deserve a retort.
The ads thing is a complete red herring. most newspapers have a very strict church and state divide between the commercial side and the editorial side. and dont forget that MCD need to put in those ads to sell tickets so they need the papers as much as the papers need the ad revenue.
plus many of these deals are "contra" deals - no money exchanges hands in return for the paper/publication getting brand exposure at the show. its a dark art. sure, MCD can go to those "friendly" papers who havent done any pieces but they need to get to the readers that The Irish Times, Sunday Times, Evening Herald etc have
this is a mad happening altogether. i dont think i've ever seen the likes of it here before. and, best of all, its still not over
welcome back una! i really do hope u stick your oar into this discussion (before its locked!)
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