GarVeteran Member Posts:1676
3/29/2006 10:32 AM |
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Not sure if anybody watched this debate unravel on 'The Big Bite' last week but I thought John Meagher from the Indo made some decent points. The basis of the debate was that some critics have an overblown ego and criticise far too quickly. What Meagher basically said in defence of music critics, is that his job is to tell the reader/viewer/listener what is good and what is not.
But does there come a time when the ego of the critic gets in the way of what they are actually meant to be doing? Anyone see this on McWilliams' show?
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MullyAdvanced Member Posts:849
3/29/2006 10:38 AM |
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Didnt see the show, but to most people, a 'critic' has a default setting of negative. A positive review is also being critical.
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UnicronVeteran Member Posts:1696
3/29/2006 10:54 AM |
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I saw about 5 minutes of it but I had to turn it off because I wanted to punch the screen whenver John Waters was talking. What did he write (I presume) that had him whining about nasty critics?
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GarVeteran Member Posts:1676
3/29/2006 10:57 AM |
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Waters recorded a demo tape and Meagher reviewed it saying 'it sounds like it should be played at a funeral'. So Waters turned it into a full on attack on all critics, not allowing Meagher to respond in a mature fashion even when he pointed out that Waters used to write for Hotpress. To which he replied 'I was a reviewer not a critic'.
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UnicronVeteran Member Posts:1696
3/29/2006 11:03 AM |
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Was this Waters' Eurovision entry? Even Joe Duffy took the piss out of that.
Seeing as he harps on about the plight of the Irish male so much you'd think Waters would be in possession of a pair of testicles, it appears not.
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PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
3/29/2006 11:04 AM |
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quote: Originally posted by Gar
Waters recorded a demo tape and Meagher reviewed it saying 'it sounds like it should be played at a funeral'. So Waters turned it into a full on attack on all critics, not allowing Meagher to respond in a mature fashion even when he pointed out that Waters used to write for Hotpress. To which he replied 'I was a reviewer not a critic'.
i heard about this alright but didnt see it,. wish i had now.
John Meagher is one of the good ones, he always says what he thinks, theres always a few decent points and there's no agenda and no conflicts of interest.
John Waters, on the other hand, has become a complete and utter tosser as he gets older. That line "a reviewer not a critic" - thats one for Pseud's Corner. then again, i dont know if anyone else heard Waters on Liveline a while back moaning about his Eurovision song? That was priceless radio, especially when joe duffy read out some of the lyrics.
as for the ego of the critic thing, EVERYONE has an ego of one kind or another. I find music critics dont have as much of an ego as theatre critics or visual arts critics but its all subjective. with music writers, i stick with the ones whose writing is entertaining, witty, sharp and usually bang on - especially if i like the music they've been enthusing about over the years. Of course, they have egos but if i like the music they're recommending then i'll keep reading them.
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nerrawBasic Member Posts:475
3/29/2006 11:12 AM |
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:lol @ unicorn.
Indeed, Waters can be readily identified by his **** ** **** *****.
Waters has become a parody of himself and is just a one man tirade against everything. He has completely lost the plot and lost any credibility, particularly the line "I was a reviewer not a critic."
Every critic is going to have an ego, as it is their job to listen to music all day etc.
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
3/29/2006 11:28 AM |
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Actually saw that Big Bite, pretty interesting. Everyone has an ego, obviously, but I generally thing bad writers lean on their ego too much, as a crutch for their faults. So instead of actually writing something informative and entertaining, they write something that gleans too much from their own opinion to be interesting.
As a critic, it's hard to be objective, but there's no point in being diplomatic. Honesty and wit and the ability to articulate are the best virtues IMO.
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UnicronVeteran Member Posts:1696
3/29/2006 12:02 PM |
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You shouldn't be objective if you're a critic, you're there to give your opinion on whether you think something is good or bad.
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AntistarAdvanced Member Posts:544
3/29/2006 12:07 PM |
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I'd love to sit around all day watching daytime TV but unfortunately I have a job, so I missed it.
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GarVeteran Member Posts:1676
3/29/2006 12:15 PM |
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It was repeated at midnight one of the days last week. But what's more worrying than that is that some members of this board are guilty of listening to 'Liveline'.......tut tut tut
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UnicronVeteran Member Posts:1696
3/29/2006 12:59 PM |
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It's on in the office.
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PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
3/29/2006 1:27 PM |
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quote: Originally posted by Gar
It was repeated at midnight one of the days last week. But what's more worrying than that is that some members of this board are guilty of listening to 'Liveline'.......tut tut tut
er, er, er i was making a cup of tea and the radio was on, OK?
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Protein biscuitBasic Member Posts:364
3/29/2006 2:31 PM |
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A critic is never going to describe what something is like for everyone. Therefore, a personal opinion is probably the best approach. If you read a critic regularly, know what they like and trust them based on past experience then their opining is probably going to be more in line with ones own tastes. Without critics we would have an awful lot less interesting crap in our collections!
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flagmanBasic Member Posts:150
3/29/2006 6:19 PM |
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Who's John Waters?
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flagmanBasic Member Posts:150
3/29/2006 6:21 PM |
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Sorry. Just typing out loud there.
I don't actually care.
Thank's.
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SteeplejackNew Member Posts:17
3/30/2006 5:16 AM |
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Isn't it funny that Gar rhymes with Meagher?
Or is it just me.
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nerrawBasic Member Posts:475
3/30/2006 9:47 AM |
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John Waters is the former keyboard player with bananarama before leaving the band over 'creative differences.'
He successfully carved out a career as a freelance jouranlist for an in-house grocery magazine before applying for the role of Editor at NME. While at NME, he had an affair with a young nubile Sinead O'Connor who he father a child with. Rumours persist that the moment of conception took place in the newsroom of NME cheered on my NME work experience students.
However, of late, he has battled a severe drug problem and addiction to painkillers. He is a ghost of himself and is reduced to tiresome rants.
Great keyboard player though
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Vent My SpleenAdvanced Member Posts:500
3/30/2006 11:08 AM |
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As Brendan Behan said so eloquently "Critics are like eunuchs in a harem; they know how it's done, they've seen it done every day, but they're unable to do it themselves."
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Miss VaughanNew Member Posts:10
3/31/2006 3:47 PM |
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The artist has a vision, the critic only an opinion.
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