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seanc
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1/31/2006 11:19 PM
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<nothing to do with busking> Censor overlord here did go on a deletion spree 'cause the whole thread got extraordinarily drifted off-topic somehow and was turning into a 'this-comedian-is-crap-oh-no-he's-not' riff or something like that, can't remember. But it was nothing to be with music, and certainly nada to do with Buskers. So, alas, my tolerance of off-topic rants is obviously on the serious decline. There do be the, er, mystery solved. And listen if, you want to start a rant about my authoritarian zero-tolerance on this front, feel free to do so. Just do it in a new thread. Purleese. eoghan. </nothing to do with busking>
Cool. The hijacking of threads was me point anyway. Delete this post too once you've read it if ya wanna.
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2/1/2006 9:48 AM
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There is one defense to be made on behalf of buskers: that dude on Grafton St who plays an acoustic as a lap steel guitar. I've never seen anyone play slide like that.
Is that the guy that wears the cowboys hat and boots? He's a legend!! He seems to turn up randomly every now and then to play - he looks like he's been plucked straight out of a David Lynch film and dropped on Grafton Street. Looks like an interesting character alright.
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2/1/2006 11:17 AM
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Originally posted by Archie
There is one defense to be made on behalf of buskers: that dude on Grafton St who plays an acoustic as a lap steel guitar. I've never seen anyone play slide like that.
Is that the guy that wears the cowboys hat and boots? He's a legend!! He seems to turn up randomly every now and then to play - he looks like he's been plucked straight out of a David Lynch film and dropped on Grafton Street. Looks like an interesting character alright.
Yeah, he's been there for years. He looks a wreck, but man can he play the geetaar.
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2/1/2006 12:42 PM
yeah that guy is somethin else........ anyone know why hansard has been randomly busking over the last two weeks on grafton street with tv cameras? work near there and have seen this three times i think.... Oh yeah and buskers are grand, it adds atmosphere to the street, yer man should quit moaning.......jaysus......
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2/1/2006 3:01 PM
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Originally posted by melvin cokane Oh yeah and buskers are grand, it adds atmosphere to the street, yer man should quit moaning.......jaysus......
Must've getting barred from Whelans
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2/3/2006 9:00 AM
From Todays Irish Times. Buskers want official recognition to set them apart from beggars who are pretending to play music, writes Róisín Ingle. In Johnson's Court, a lane off Grafton Street in Dublin, a young girl sits with an accordion on her knee. It's just after lunchtime on Friday and there are a few coins in the plastic container at her feet. The notes from her instrument are monotonous, her fingers moving clumsily across the keyboard. The girl doesn't turn heads. Why should she? She's just another busker in a city famous for buskers waiting for the rain to stop. That is not how Maire Ní Bheaglaoich sees it. Wearing fingerless gloves and carrying a backpack filled with busking paraphernalia, the traditional musician brings me for a coffee around the corner to explain. Café Bell, in the cobbled courtyard behind St Teresa's church on Clarendon Street, is popular with buskers. "You get to know the places you can go where they don't mind taking change," she says. It's a cosy cafe with a piano at one end of the room and a "bishop's special" advertised on a chalk board menu above the counter. She's been busking for 20 years. "We are part of the culture," she says. "People like to go down Grafton Street and hear the music, it brings a smile to their faces, it lifts the heart." Since last March though, she says, people like the girl on Johnson's Court having been making life "impossible" for buskers. "It's a racket," she says. "There are around eight of them being sent out with instruments they can't play. Their attitude toward us is aggressive. We want the public - who probably think they are real buskers - to know what is happening. They should be stopped from bringing their instruments into town and abusing the music." Some of the buskers are so concerned about the issue that last November six of the 15 full-time Dublin buskers met community gardaí and Jane Boushell of the Musicians Union of Ireland (MUI), a branch of Siptu. Ní Bheaglaoich says beggars have always posed a problem for buskers but that the "latest scam is devious. Child beggars are being sent out by adults to make money. They don't have a melody between them and they are aggressive toward the musicians, driving three buskers off the street in the past few years. It's a racket and we need a strategy." When asked this week about the legal position of buskers, a spokesman for the Garda press office is clear. "Asking for money is illegal, it doesn't matter if you are playing an instrument at the time or not," he says. "We are aware that it is part of the culture but our job is to uphold the law." However, according to Boushell, at the meeting in Liberty Hall two gardaí from Pearse Street were open about the fact that they work in co-operation with buskers to ensure music amplifiers are not too loud and that their audiences do not create an obstruction. The musicians said they wanted to join the union so that their abilities would be recognised. Holding a union card, it was hoped, would distinguish them from beggars when complaints were made by shop owners. "At the meeting the gardaí were very positive about busking, saying it added to the atmosphere on Grafton Street," says Boushell. "The way we left it was that the gardaí were going to talk to their superiors about recognising musicians holding union cards. We are still waiting for them to get back to us." In Britain, the situation couldn't be more different to our "yes, it's illegal but we turn a blind eye" approach. "Our vagrancy laws distinguish between buskers and beggars," says Gill Short of Nottingham City Council, which is gearing up to hold X-Factor style auditions for buskers to combat the phenomenon of beggars masquerading as buskers. "Busking or street entertainment is legal, begging is not. Busking is about entertainment. Of course buskers want money for what they are doing but then they are providing a service for that money. The reason we are holding auditions for buskers," adds Short, "is so that we can distinguish between the beggar with the penny whistle and the skilled entertainer who enhances the atmosphere in the city." IT'S SATURDAY morning, the rain falling steadily as Andrew Clarke takes up his usual spot under an awning in Temple Bar. He gets there at 9.30am to bag the pitch but won't start playing until noon, when the nearby food market starts to get busy. At his feet his two dogs - Scallywag and Rascal - are sleeping. "On a good day you can make around €25-€30 an hour," he says. "It has paid for the kids' judo classes and drama lessons." He does around two hours a day, six days a week. He acknowledges that the idea of regulating busking is "difficult". "It's up to the gardaí's discretion at the moment - if the busking is causing an obstruction then they will move you on. There are also issues about using amplifiers, whether they should be used during the day and how high the levels should be allowed to go. The standard of busking is quite high at the moment but the new generation haven't learnt to sing without a microphone; they'll learn as they go along." Is the idea of regulating buskers realistic? "We want regulation, but we want to regulate ourselves, which is why we are trying to encourage people to join the MUI," he says. He is not keen on the idea of permits along the lines of those that will be issued to buskers in Nottingham who pass the upcoming auditions. "If you start introducing permits then a lot of people will disappear because they will lose their benefits. A lot of buskers are living on the margins of society. Any regulations will lead eventually to buskers having to declare their earnings, which would make life difficult for some people," he says. He would hate people to think that people like him and Ní Bheaglaoich are trying to make artistic judgments about other buskers. "We don't want to be an exclusive club but we would encourage people to go to music classes, it's better than just sitting there pretending to play. We have spent years learning to do what we do." Despite what the Garda says, he believes there is a legal difference between buskers and beggars. "The legal difference is that we are not asking people for money, we are just playing our songs and if people want to come up to us and give us money, that is their choice." He starts playing his guitar. Some Chinese girls throw coins as he sings, his voice, low and rich, warming up the cold day. Former busker Liam O'Maonlai spent a few years working the streets of Dublin in the 1980s, both alone with his tin whistle and then as a member of the Fabulous Benzini Brothers, who became the Hothouse Flowers. "It's a very uncomplicated life," he says. "You are not spoilt on the street. You play your music and if people like it they pay. If they don't like it they don't pay. It's clean money. The street is a place where everything happens. In Ireland these days, everything is regulated and as a result everything is dry and dull." He feels that to clamp down on people who clearly can't play their instruments goes against the spirit of street entertainment. "In busking there have always been people you would think, 'well they could do that a bit better' and there have always been people who are just hustling. I can understand people getting annoyed, but at the same time it's just their way of making a living." O'Maonlai says he was impressed when a few years ago some Traveller boys started trying to earn money through busking rather than begging. "Two of the guys had harmonicas and the third just jigged around a bit singing. They were chancing their arms but they were creating something quite extraordinary." Niall, a busker in his 30s who plays bluegrass music on Grafton Street, feels the same. "When I started busking I could hardly play, everything I learnt was on the street," he says. "I think it is morally wrong to point the finger at someone on the street trying to make money. Some buskers feel they are victims or heroes but it's hard to take the moral high ground about people who are in dire circumstances." "The street community is like every other community," says O'Maonlai. "Everyone has their own angle. The conventional life some of us live is only one strand of life, it's not the only way. In Africa or India people are allowed to co-exist in all the different ways of life. In Ireland the other ways of life are often hidden." The girl on Johnson's Court is not hidden but when you hunker down to talk to her, she looks as though she wishes the ground would swallow her up. Where are you from? "Romania," she says, looking down the street anxiously. Do you like playing the accordian? "I am not good, I only know one song." What is the song called? There is a long pause. "Romania," she replies. The girl gets more agitated with each question and says her mother will be back soon, explaining "the queue is very long in McDonalds". Shouldn't she be in school? "Maybe I should," she says, before picking up her chair and her container and making as though to go home. A few minutes later she is back, playing the same three notes outside the church, eyes downcast. Hustling, busking or just getting by? It depends on who you ask. Tomorrow in the Magazine: Louise East meets one-time Grafton Street buskers Rodrigo y Gabriela
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2/3/2006 10:25 AM
Wow, buskers are nazis. I'm going to punch the next one I see.
Una
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2/3/2006 7:26 PM
that is some f**ked up s**t. Any other evidence of it happening in Dublin?
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2/3/2006 9:45 PM
Last time I was in the London Underground (the subway, not the trendy music scene) about a a year ago, they even have specially designated "busking points" and a strict timetable. Each busker only gets a one or two hour slot. Due to the limited slots, only the best musicians and performers are allowed perform so you get everything from your traditional acoustic strummer to opera singers and carribean music. Don't get me wrong, a lot of this stuff is amazing, but it all seems a bit forced and politically correct in the way that whoever is in charge seems over-keen to reflect the citys ethnic diversity. Still it beats the previous situation where there was strictly no music whatsover, but a bit of unpredictability is nice. One of the best and worst things about Ireland is that it has always existed in a state of gentle anarchy. Something that's gradually disapearring these days as people seem to be getting more uptight. Kinda sad in a way. Random busking is just part of that "gentle anarchy"
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2/7/2006 4:49 AM
To me, buskers just interfere with what I am listening to on my headphones while I'm walking by, thus forcing me to turn up the volume. They are bad for the health one might say. Although, I was in New York in January and there was this cool guy playing in the subway station at Times Square, he had a one man band thing going on with his guitar and harmonica and drums and it was just excellent. Playing mostly originals too.
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2/8/2006 12:04 PM
Most of these opinions make me sick. You really make youselves look like a bunch of pampered mummy's boys/girls. I'd say most of you never found yourself with no money and no food. Musicians dont want to busk. It's better to play music than to be hungry. And of course most buskers are going to roll out the hits thats what they'll get paid for. I've traveled and busked to feed myself, i met alot of other buskers -some who made magic music and- all of whom had an incredible kindness of spirit - something you wouldn't find in this discussion.
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2/13/2006 5:18 PM
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Originally posted by melvin cokane
anyone know why hansard has been randomly busking over the last two weeks on grafton street with tv cameras? work near there and have seen this three times i think....
Just found this. http://www.hybridmagazine.com/music/1205/framesinterview.shtml GH: I'm going to make a fool of myself in January… I'm going to act again. HM: Are you? GH: Yeah. Me and a few friends, very small time, we're making a film about a busker. And I'm going to play the busker. He's basically a guy who is in his early thirties, he's kind of disillusioned, but he's good, you know. He has something. He has some songs… and his girlfriend's gone away … And myself and Damien Rice are writing all the songs for it. And basically he meets this Eastern European girl who's selling this magazine, and she somehow inspires him to get off his ass and to get into the studio and make a record and basically go see his girlfriend in London… to get her back with these songs that he's been writing because she's been floored by these tunes he's been writing. It's a very simple story… but we're going to start shooting in January. The script is really good, I'm really happy with it.
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2/13/2006 6:51 PM
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Most of these opinions make me sick. You really make youselves look like a bunch of pampered mummy's boys/girls. I'd say most of you never found yourself with no money and no food. Musicians dont want to busk. It's better to play music than to be hungry. And of course most buskers are going to roll out the hits thats what they'll get paid for. I've traveled and busked to feed myself, i met alot of other buskers -some who made magic music and- all of whom had an incredible kindness of spirit - something you wouldn't find in this discussion.
Ouch! Fair point though.
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7/10/2006 2:29 PM
I've done a lot of busking (many years ago now) and stuff like Wonderwall and Fields of Athenry is what people pay up for. When I started out I played mostly clarinet but it was when I moved over to the guitar and the singalong tunes (and started playing at closing time) that I made money. The drunken crowds don't give a flying f**k about your artistic sensitivities, they just want to have fun. Get over it (p.s. You know what I hate? Moaners)
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