| 12/8/2005 5:39 PM |
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thats the reason why we've exported so many s**te bands over the years. we have to apply the same criteria we apply to every band to bands from here. for years, bands have got an easy ride from (most) irish critics and writers and commentators just cos they're irish. once they go to london or new york, they soon find out that they're just not good enough.
you can count the number of internationally successful irish bands on the fingers of one hand...
U2
The Corrs
The Cranberries
someone is sure to come back and mention Van or The Thrills but i'm talking about bands (sorry van) and bands who have sold at least a million copies of more than one album worldwide (sorry, thrills)
enough said. we keep exporting dross and then wonder why it all goes wrong. if we were more honest with ourselves here, we'd have a better scene.
i give humanzi 18 months before yer man is back giving out in bruxelles
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dera Basic Member Posts:163  
| 12/8/2005 11:23 PM |
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What if I just don't like their music? What can I do?! I'm terrified to say anything now in case it's intellectual masturbation ;) (and I thought that was jazz!)
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| 12/8/2005 11:49 PM |
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ALRIGHT!!! NOW I'M LAUGHING!
But I'll try to stop long enough to write this reply. I'd bet Humanzi are loving this attention!
This character "Bud" made a great point in respnse to this character "Pilchard".
Like, obviously yerman/woman was havin a bad day when he/she decided to rant about how Irish bands are s**t unless they've sold more than a million copies of more than one album. What are ya on about?!
If you were at the level where you could judge bands on that basis, you wouldn't be posting on this or any other forum. You'd have "your people" do it for ya.
And whats this about masturbation? Nobody's stopping anybody from being critical of bands. Thats what makes them better. Jesus, if you're afraid of being accused of stuff for slagging a band, then maybe the people you talk to are just idiots.
MY POINT IS:...... Criticising bands is great. Being a moany eejit about Irish music is not, that'll get nobody nowhere.
Thats my rant. I'm off to bed
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| 12/8/2005 11:52 PM |
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LORD!!!
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deraBasic Member Posts:163
| 12/8/2005 11:57 PM |
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Originally posted by seanc
Nobody's stopping anybody from being critical of bands. Thats what makes them better. Jesus, if you're afraid of being accused of stuff for slagging a band, then maybe the people you talk to are just idiots.
I'll write "Rhetorical Question" before my rhetorical questions in future :) |
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DamienBasic Member Posts:316
| 12/9/2005 12:03 AM |
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LOUD NOISES
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WhoMeBasic Member Posts:191
| 12/9/2005 8:47 AM |
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News flash* Giant dead squid found on M50 motorway
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ishrinkBasic Member Posts:195
| 12/9/2005 9:20 AM |
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Originally posted by Pilchard
someone is sure to come back and mention Van or The Thrills but i'm talking about bands (sorry van) and bands who have sold at least a million copies of more than one album worldwide (sorry, thrills)
Westlife, Boyzone...
Music Rule #1 - Just because it sells doesn't make it good. |
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Pilchard Advanced Member Posts:699
| 12/9/2005 5:44 PM |
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Originally posted by bud
someone is sure to come back and mention Van or The Thrills but i'm talking about bands (sorry van) and bands who have sold at least a million copies of more than one album worldwide (sorry, thrills)
enough said. we keep exporting dross and then wonder why it all goes wrong. if we were more honest with ourselves here, we'd have a better scene.
i give humanzi 18 months before yer man is back giving out in bruxelles
so the only reason you're knocking humanzi is to protect the integrity of Irish music abroad? And your means of doing that is to try and stop it from gaining any confidence in the foreign market just in case the foreign market laugh at it for being, heaven forbid, awful music, because no where else in the world is there bad music being made. Pathetic. Fair play to HUmanzi and all Irish bands like them for at least getting out there. flick through MTV any time and you will see the so called 'quality' that England is producing at the moment or America. This ethos of knocking your own in order to protect the future of Irish music is intellectual masturbation. gets you nowhere.
bud, you need a new pair of glasses. i NEVER said anything bout "protecting the integrity of irish music abroad". there's no such thing!! irish music is largely associated with either epic arse like U2 or The Corrs or boyband arse like Westlife. I'd WELCOME success for irish acts i'd like but they are just NOT GOOD ENOUGH
This applies to Humanzi right now. I have seen them twice and heard the single loads and just dont like it. That might change when the album comes along and i hope it does. But as things stand, Humanzi do not warrant all the hype and outraged defence they're getting from u.
as for this line... "This ethos of knocking your own in order to protect the future of Irish music is intellectual masturbation" - are you John Waters or Fintan O'Toole in disguise? Makes no sense to me at all. |
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MrGreen New Member Posts:20
| 12/9/2005 8:07 PM |
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Pilchard, you are basing your argument on the fact that "YOU" dont like them. Thats not a valid enough reason to suggest "THEY" arent good enough. How many albums did it take U2 to become the phenomenon they are? It certainly wasnt off the strength of their first.
Having seen Humanzi Twice myself i must admit 1st offering i wasnt that impressed but 2nd time round they were slowly but surely turning my opinion due to their sheer togetherness and determination.
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Binokular Veteran Member Posts:1665
| 12/10/2005 12:58 AM |
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I've just finished reading and trying to understand the replies in this thread, my brain hurts....
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| 12/10/2005 11:09 AM |
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Their music is crap. I heard it on their website. its as simple as that.
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| 12/10/2005 1:10 PM |
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I'm amazed Shaun is even bothered by any abuse he gets, surely he realises it's mainly other musicians who are slagging him off. People are jealous cause they don't have a deal themselves and most people who aren't involved in music are delighted to see an Irish band do well. The same thing will happen to any band who get signed.
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UnicronVeteran Member Posts:1696
| 12/10/2005 1:22 PM |
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Originally posted by thomas
I'm amazed Shaun is even bothered by any abuse he gets, surely he realises it's mainly other musicians who are slagging him off. People are jealous cause they don't have a deal themselves and most people who aren't involved in music are delighted to see an Irish band do well. The same thing will happen to any band who get signed.
Oh come on, people are allowed to dislike their music and voice that opinion without having an ulterior motive. I don't see why just because they're from Ireland we need to all "get behind them", if they're good then great, if they're not then I'll happily ignore them. |
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| 12/10/2005 1:55 PM |
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I agree, but my point is that at this stage in Humanzis short career it'll be mostly the other bands who want to knock them. I'd bet all the money in the world that 80% of negitive comments about Humanzi made on websites at the moment are made by musicians or people with an association with another band. I think Shaun shouldn't waste his energy on negative comments as he will get them no matter how good his band is.
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MrGreenNew Member Posts:20
| 12/10/2005 6:00 PM |
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Here Here Thomas, couldn't have put it better myself.
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deraBasic Member Posts:163
| 12/10/2005 7:46 PM |
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Originally posted by thomas
I'd bet all the money in the world that 80% of negitive comments about Humanzi made on websites at the moment are made by musicians or people with an association with another band.
It's true, I admit it! I have an association with another band! I once bought a packet of crisps for the The Stars of Heaven drummer. |
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| 12/11/2005 5:02 AM |
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This is a fantastic thread!!
We've gone from the Sunday Tribune to a packet of crisps!!
What kind of crisps were they???
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