Rev Jules Veteran Member Posts:1041  
| 8/11/2005 2:11 PM |
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Originally posted by Norman Schwarzkopf
Anyone heard a pro-Bush song?
Not yet, but I am checking with my contacts in Nashville. In the meantime, can I tempt you with these delightful gifts at a very special price ? 
http://www.georgewbushstore.com/president_line.htm
"The guy over there at Pease - a woman actually - she said something about a country-western song about the train, a light at the end of the tunnel... I only hope it's not a train coming the other way. Well, I said to her, well, I'm a country music fan. I love it, always have. Doesn't fit the mold of some of the columnists, I might add, but nevertheless - of what they think I ought to fit in, but I love it. You should have been with me at the c.m.a. awards at Nashville. But nevertheless, I said to them there's another one that the Nitty Ditty Nitty Gritty Great Bird - and it says if you want to see a rainbow you've got to stand a little rain. We've had a little rain. New Hampshire has had too much rain." - President George W. Bush |
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loserbrian New Member Posts:46
| 8/11/2005 4:52 PM |
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I always find it comical the way a band like coldplay can write 3 albums about insecurity and love and no one makes a comment about that topic being over worked. Yet any musician trys to express an opinion of society in any way and they are labeled as stale or unoriginal etc. Even worse is the claim that music shouldnt be political. All art is political its a reflection of society that is the whole f**king point of art.
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Daragh Advanced Member Posts:666
| 8/11/2005 5:19 PM |
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Originally posted by loserbrian
I always find it comical the way a band like coldplay can write 3 albums about insecurity and love and no one makes a comment about that topic being over worked. Yet any musician trys to express an opinion of society in any way and they are labeled as stale or unoriginal etc. Even worse is the claim that music shouldnt be political. All art is political its a reflection of society that is the whole f**king point of art.
well said.
You could probably even say that politics was the driving force behind rock n roll in the 50s and 60s. |
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Rev JulesVeteran Member Posts:1041
| 8/11/2005 5:50 PM |
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Originally posted by Daragh
You could probably even say that politics was the driving force behind rock n roll in the 50s and 60s.
I always thought that getting laid and getting high was the driving force behind rock n roll in the 50s and 60s. |
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DaraghAdvanced Member Posts:666
| 8/11/2005 6:18 PM |
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that too!
but in the late 60s politics was pretty central to American culture with Vietnam, and most bands were involved to some degree. Before that in the 50s with early rock and roll there was the whole race issue, kids listening to devils music, black culture seeping into the mainstream...
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DromedAdvanced Member Posts:900
| 8/12/2005 9:55 AM |
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Originally posted by Rev Jules
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Originally posted by Daragh
You could probably even say that politics was the driving force behind rock n roll in the 50s and 60s.
I always thought that getting laid and getting high was the driving force behind rock n roll in the 50s and 60s.
And the 70s and the 80s and the 90s.. :) |
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BinokularVeteran Member Posts:1665
| 8/12/2005 10:09 AM |
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Originally posted by Daragh
Before that in the 50s with early rock and roll there was the whole race issue, kids listening to devils music, black culture seeping into the mainstream...
Yeah, but those were issues that arose out of white kids listening to the music, not what inspired the music in the first place. If you can find a strong political message in Bo Diddley, Chuck Berry, Elvis, Carl Perkins, Buddy Holly etc. you're a more perceptive person than I am. |
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DaraghAdvanced Member Posts:666
| 8/12/2005 10:23 AM |
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binokular - yeah you're right about the 50s stuff.
im gonna stick to my guns on the 60s though! Mind you the politics maybe fuelled the popularity of the music a little, forbidden fruit, teenage rebellion and all that.
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BinokularVeteran Member Posts:1665
| 8/12/2005 1:08 PM |
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Originally posted by Daragh
im gonna stick to my guns on the 60s though! Mind you the politics maybe fuelled the popularity of the music a little, forbidden fruit, teenage rebellion and all that.
Nope, I still think it was sex that fuelled musics popularity, but not in the way you might think. In the 60s, the Baby Boomer generation was growing up and in the US at least, they were reasonably prosperous too, the term "teenager" had recently been coined. It meant basically you had a lot of young people with money (killing the hippie ideal here aint I?) which leads to youth culture suddenly becoming very important. Without mobile phones and playstations to distract them, the "kids" had three main areas to spend their money: Clothes, Cars (US legal driving age is 16) and Music, just a continuation of the the trend started in the fifties. Lots of politics floating round, but not the main driving force for the popularity of popular music at the time. |
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off the post Basic Member Posts:284
| 8/12/2005 2:02 PM |
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Art is a form of expression. Politics is only one of many mediums through which to express oneself. I would'nt say that politics was the driving force behind music during any decade. Most music is concerned with love, heartbreak, sex etc; these are common deominators that most human beings can relate to (Execept maybe Morrisey!!). For example, how many times do your hear the word "love" in a song? Most other stuff like for example politics is a sideshow.
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DaraghAdvanced Member Posts:666
| 8/15/2005 5:51 PM |
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your damn right, who was i kidding!
(still think politics has a place in music though  )
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Rev JulesVeteran Member Posts:1041
| 8/15/2005 6:03 PM |
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To be fair, Daragh and Binokular, politics as a topic has long had a place in the blues (Vietnam Blues), prior to, during and after the birth of rock and roll. As for Chuck Berry, long underrated as one of the great lyricists, he is as much a poet of the american landscape as Walt Whitman or Woody Guthrie and in a number of songs namechecks places in America, something which he inspired Bruce Springsteen to do in 'Light of Day' which has a Berryesque roll call of American place names in the middle.
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BinokularVeteran Member Posts:1665
| 8/15/2005 8:08 PM |
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Sorry Jules, you've gone right over my head there (not hard to do really  ), I'm not entirely sure what you're getting, sure theres probably been political blues songs, and theres been political songs for centuries prior to Rock and Roll, but I always just thought the Blues was about the Blues y'know? Maybe those Blues are caused by an unjust government, but most of the time its just some woman, or just how you feel, no reason, you just got the blues....
...Sorry I've been listening to those little spoken monologues BB King gives halfway through his songs too often... |
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Rev JulesVeteran Member Posts:1041
| 8/16/2005 10:15 AM |
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Originally posted by Binokular
Sorry Jules, you've gone right over my head there (not hard to do really ), I'm not entirely sure what you're getting, sure theres probably been political blues songs, and theres been political songs for centuries prior to Rock and Roll, but I always just thought the Blues was about the Blues y'know? Maybe those Blues are caused by an unjust government, but most of the time its just some woman, or just how you feel, no reason, you just got the blues....
...Sorry I've been listening to those little spoken monologues BB King gives halfway through his songs too often...
Dude, the Blues is so much more than that, and you have to put the blues in the context of the American society and history. Check out Feel Like Coming Home for a wider view. Gospel and Blues is the source.  |
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DaraghAdvanced Member Posts:666
| 8/16/2005 10:25 AM |
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great movie,
blues is the roots everything else is the fruits! - Willie Dixon
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