Unicron Veteran Member Posts:1696  
| 7/27/2005 7:01 PM |
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Slightly off topic somewhat but I'd also like to endorse how billiant an album "Be" is.
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BinokularVeteran Member Posts:1665
| 7/27/2005 10:05 PM |
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Originally posted by Daragh
In fact i can't think of any band off the top of my head (apart from a few blues players) who have produced albums in (relative) old age, that were anywhere near as good as their younger stuff.
Sonic Youth - Murray Street, easily as good, if not better than daydream nation. Saint Etiennes latest one is pretty good too. David Byrne still puts out great records, even if people have ceased to care. I don't think bands "maturing" makes them boring because I think real maturity is getting a better understanding of things outside your own limited world view. Bands that get boring haven't matured, they've just got too complacent and comfortable, thats probably what happens when you're still making music with people you've been playing with since you're 16. |
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palace Basic Member Posts:392
| 7/28/2005 8:36 AM |
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bands go through a peak period, as simple as that... one where the sum of the parts adds up to just a little more, where the magic is present... for some bands (e.g. oasis) this might be at the beginning, for others (flaming lips)it might be nearer the end... it may go on for one album or it may go on for four... some bands peak twice...
there are exceptions of course - and the best ones are those who consistently (and usually regularly and without too much fuss) churn out quality albums e.g. nick cave, will oldham, smog etc...
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palaceBasic Member Posts:392
| 7/28/2005 8:40 AM |
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and having actually read the above post from binokular now, add sonic youth to that list...
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Daragh Advanced Member Posts:666
| 7/28/2005 10:54 AM |
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good point about Flaming Lips alright, Soft Bulletin, and Yoshimi are two excellent albums.
But there will always be exceptions, i was thinking more of these "return to form" albums that artists like Dylan have, and while Love And Theft is an ok album, it doesn't hold a candle to his best work.
Actually, its seems to be the slightly less mainstream bands who manage to go on doing well, The Flaming Lips being a perfect example, or Mercury Rev.
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off the postBasic Member Posts:284
| 7/28/2005 11:03 AM |
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I suppose the most glaring example is U2. I find "Atomic Bomb" to be incredibly boring. Albums like Boy, Unforgetable Fire and Joshua Treee are so energetic. October and War are ok but at least have some kinda life about them. Achtung Baby is prob their most original. After that the albums just tail off. Well, that's my opinion anyway but most people have their own slant on U2.
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KarlitoBasic Member Posts:210
| 7/28/2005 11:15 AM |
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In reply to palace regarding peaks....Neil Young has had some atrocities, but Greendale, purely classic album.
But on the other side of the coin, what the press says about albums, and quotes artists as saying, can be taken out of context, because you don't ever really get a full quote do you? Especially in the case of NME.
Also look ad Ryan Adams and Badly drawn Boy, they both have been consistent on record and tend to not really think what the audience thinks to a great degree, they have their niche, they sell records and play some gigs but don't get terrinly rich off it.
As for SFA, mellow can be good for them, but also on their last album, Slow Life was rockin, Gruff has released a solo album which, what I thought was top quality if not in the vain of SFA, they have had 2 remix albums, so there is a lot more to that band than churning out "boring" albums, anf time and again it's gonna come down to taste, people that like the Manics from the year dot, will mature along with them, well at least their musical taste, and that will only be a precentage of the audience.
So what I'm trying to say is that it's all relative in this NME reading, fickle music industry. If a band can pull in enough punters to go to their gig where they really make the money, then thats where they have to put the show on. The future of music relies a good deal on the live scene, not totally though.
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ishrinkBasic Member Posts:195
| 7/28/2005 11:52 AM |
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Originally posted by Unicron
Slightly off topic somewhat but I'd also like to endorse how billiant an album "Be" is.
Also off topic, but I'd like to counter; I think it's decent, but over-rated and a much better recent hiphop album is Edan's Beauty and the Beat.  |
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PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
| 7/28/2005 12:53 PM |
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Originally posted by ishrink
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Originally posted by Unicron
Slightly off topic somewhat but I'd also like to endorse how billiant an album "Be" is.
Also off topic, but I'd like to counter; I think it's decent, but over-rated and a much better recent hiphop album is Edan's Beauty and the Beat.
Which is nowhere as good as Edan's "Primitive Plus"
someone mentioned Ryan Adams and BDB - both are examples of artists throwing out albums fast and furious. Naturally, some of it is good and some is so-so ("Rock & Roll" from the former and well nearly everything after "Bewilderbeast" from the latter). Still, theyre at least putting the music out there which is brilliant. Better that than the "event releases" from the likes of U2 and Coldplay
Actually a good example of a band finding their spurs as they go along are Wilco. As much as i loved "Yankee Hotel Foxtrot", i adored the following one "A Ghost is Born" and theyre probably the only band i'm genuinely excited to know what comes next. |
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strollerAdvanced Member Posts:576
| 7/28/2005 4:16 PM |
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Originally posted by Pilchard
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Originally posted by ishrink
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Originally posted by Unicron
Slightly off topic somewhat but I'd also like to endorse how billiant an album "Be" is.
Also off topic, but I'd like to counter; I think it's decent, but over-rated and a much better recent hiphop album is Edan's Beauty and the Beat.
Which is nowhere as good as Edan's "Primitive Plus"
And the version of Sing It Sh*tface which appears on Primative Plus is nowhere near as good as the one which was originally released as a single on Biscuithead Recordings  |
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PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
| 7/28/2005 5:01 PM |
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Originally posted by stroller
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Originally posted by Pilchard
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Originally posted by ishrink
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Originally posted by Unicron
Slightly off topic somewhat but I'd also like to endorse how billiant an album "Be" is.
Also off topic, but I'd like to counter; I think it's decent, but over-rated and a much better recent hiphop album is Edan's Beauty and the Beat.
Which is nowhere as good as Edan's "Primitive Plus"
And the version of Sing It Sh*tface which appears on Primative Plus is nowhere near as good as the one which was originally released as a single on Biscuithead Recordings
and the winner of this bout of hip-hop oneupmanship is........... |
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