flipperstired Basic Member Posts:103  
| 1/18/2005 5:08 PM |
|
|
woo hoo!!!! think they have something good goin on there. As mentioned, surprised they are missing from the hot press list in
my original post.
|
|
|
|
Gar Veteran Member Posts:1676
| 1/18/2005 5:10 PM |
|
|
Like the description says in the current Gigs Of The Forthnight, Bloc Party are set to be this year's big hit. They were simply amazing last night in Whelan's. Their debut album will be out soon enough too.
|
|
|
|
Rev JulesVeteran Member Posts:1041
| 1/18/2005 5:27 PM |
|
quote:
Originally posted by flipperstired
...Mainline ...
What do people think? Gar, would be interested in hearing your thoughts on this one. And any regular gig reviewers. Who has it there and who does'nt?
You know, the name MAINLINE is uncomfortably close to
BIG TOM AND THE MAINLINERS (if you add BIG TOM AND THE...RS)
 |
|
|
|
mutchBasic Member Posts:392
| 1/18/2005 5:34 PM |
|
|
hahaha! frankie laine is gonna shoot ye from el paso!
|
|
|
|
Rev JulesVeteran Member Posts:1041
| 1/18/2005 5:42 PM |
|
quote:
Originally posted by mutch
hahaha! frankie laine is gonna shoot ye from el paso!
I can see the gunsmoke already  |
|
|
|
GarVeteran Member Posts:1676
| 1/18/2005 7:49 PM |
|
|
Here's a snappy article highlighting some of the acts to watch out for this year:
www.musician.ie/php/longarticle.php?artnum=58
|
|
|
|
| 1/19/2005 1:54 PM |
|
|
mainline, not a bad piece of drone! in fluenced by (i'd say) velvet underground, jesus & mary chain, spaceman3 and spiritualized. funny that spiritualized were once called spiritualized electric mainline for their pure phase album. but fair play to them.....
in anyways, hot press, there's not a day goes by that i thank them for their ever informative sex column, what complete drivel! but it is HP after all.....what we've come to expect...........complete drivel.
as for tanya sweeney, well when she's not writing on the current crop of upcoming scensters she's invariably writing for the dublin rag, the herald. music reviews, previews....no no no, fasion and tv.....hmmmmmmm i think were getting somewhere here. the herald found it rather important that sex and the city was coming to its conclusion and decided to give a whole page over to this enormous event....ooooooohhhhhhhhh......let's call in the big hitters.......tanya sweeney. pictured lovingly with her friends sipping red wine from expensive looking glasses viewing the final episode of SATC.
so as we can all gather from this, tanya sweeney has her ear to the ground, hunting down the finest acts from dublin week in week out, so that she can share this information at the end of the year with all of us suckers who occasionaly buy the rag.
somebody should (deleted by Moderator) hot press HQ and put a (deleted by Moderator) into the (deleted by Moderator) of stokes........and for satans somebody please bring back the slate
|
|
|
|
Pilchard Advanced Member Posts:699
| 1/19/2005 2:15 PM |
|
|
there must be pigs flying over thurles because here i come to stand up for a HP writer.
Why shouldnt tanya sweeney write about stuff other than music? its perfectly normal for u and me to talk s**te about everything so why shouldnt someone like sweeney do the same and get paid for it? So what if she did a piece on SATC? she got paid for it - and she probably got the drink free too. Smacks of jealousy to me a litte
But, just to prove i'm not going soft, sweeney is the best of a very bad lot. frankly, as an old fella, i think the current HP is the worst ever incarnation of the rag. years ago (ok years and years) ago, they had some decent writers like Bill Graham, Graham Linehan and I think Jim Carroll started out there but the current bunch are HOPELESS. Phil Udell? Clueless Stuart Clarke? Bland bland bland. At least Olaf is colourful (well, slighly colourful).
Music has changed and HP has struggled to adopt to these changes, As long as Niall Stokes edits it, it will continue to struggle. You need a new editor to give a magazine a fresh vision and perspective. You need someone who goes to gigs other than Saucy Monkey gigs. You need someone who is not afraid to call the new U2 album as it really is. By all accounts, Stokes is a fairly decent if egotisical motherfukcer but it really is time for him to step aside, concentrrate on the publishing side and let someone new loose. Get in someone no-one would expect to see in charge and let them kick up some dust.
|
|
|
|
BinokularVeteran Member Posts:1665
| 1/19/2005 3:12 PM |
|
|
Hot Press just isn't a music magazine, its a "young trendy urban types" lifestyle mag. I' mean really, wheres the music content. Usualy theres just one or two interviews and a small reviews section. Its not like they even give a decent amount of the magazine to reviewing music. If Journos want to write about other stuff thats fine, go write about it elsewhere, but it would be nice to see an Irish magazine dedicated solely to music. Stuff does pop up every now and then, small fanzine type publications or more ambitious ones like foggy notions but they never seem to really establish themselves. By the what happened to Foggy Notions? seemed to have disappeared from the shelves lately, yeah it was flawed, but a whole lot better than Hot Press.
|
|
|
|
Rev JulesVeteran Member Posts:1041
| 1/19/2005 6:20 PM |
|
quote:
Originally posted by Binokular
By the what happened to Foggy Notions? seemed to have disappeared from the shelves lately, yeah it was flawed, but a whole lot better than Hot Press.
There is only so much you can write about Richmond Fontaine and only so many people who will read it. |
|
|
|
GarVeteran Member Posts:1676
| 1/19/2005 6:28 PM |
|
|
The worst thing about Hotpress is that they are so unwelcoming to new writers. I submitted some ideas through email which were ignored. But then I saw in the next issue my ideas taken on by their own writers. Very annonying. I've always stressed that Hotpress and The Ticket are in desperate need for freshness in the form of new young writers. Stokes should just quit really or hand the duties down. Tanya Sweeney is a decent writer (don't care what she writes in Evening Herald as that is a complete rag) and as for Olaf being colourful, he's a s**t writer with a terrible taste in music and no journalistic skills plus he's a d**khead (I read his autobiography, what a prick he comes across as). People who read my posts will know that I never attack anyone verbally but it pisses me off that the only real regular music magazine that our island has is run in such a bad way. I still read it very fortnight, not as if i'm going to start a one man boycott but it does need some spring cleaning.
Yeah Foggy Notions was pretty good. They have some really interesting interviews, the last two I remember were with PJ Harvey and then one with Dirty Three. Shame it isn't more regularly released, if it is still going that is.
|
|
|
|
ArchieBasic Member Posts:458
| 1/19/2005 7:05 PM |
|
|
I'm a bit iffy on my stance on hotpress. Sometimes it's good, sometimes its attitude ticks me off...For some reason I find it really messy or something. Hard to read. Foggy Notions was great (format and CLASS content) but was very shortlived :(
As for the actual question: I'm much ashamed to say I don't actualy know any of those bands...
|
|
|
|
PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
| 1/19/2005 10:38 PM |
|
quote:
Originally posted by Gar
The worst thing about Hotpress is that they are so unwelcoming to new writers. I submitted some ideas through email which were ignored. But then I saw in the next issue my ideas taken on by their own writers. Very annonying. I've always stressed that Hotpress and The Ticket are in desperate need for freshness in the form of new young writers. Stokes should just quit really or hand the duties down. Tanya Sweeney is a decent writer (don't care what she writes in Evening Herald as that is a complete rag) and as for Olaf being colourful, he's a s**t writer with a terrible taste in music and no journalistic skills plus he's a d**khead (I read his autobiography, what a prick he comes across as). People who read my posts will know that I never attack anyone verbally but it pisses me off that the only real regular music magazine that our island has is run in such a bad way. I still read it very fortnight, not as if i'm going to start a one man boycott but it does need some spring cleaning.
Yeah Foggy Notions was pretty good. They have some really interesting interviews, the last two I remember were with PJ Harvey and then one with Dirty Three. Shame it isn't more regularly released, if it is still going that is.
a couple of points here.
STOP BUYING HOT PRESS!! Seriously, stop buying it. Save your money. There are plenty of better-written music magazines out there albeit non-Irish. In fact, theres loads and loads of better Irish music articles - Cluas is full of them. Break the habit,.
Get onto Foggy Notions and The Ticket if you want to write for them. Do it. Email them. You do stuff for Cluas (i think) - why not do try to get your foot in the door there?? Whats keeping u from trying? I dont particularly agree with your points about "fresh" writing equating with "young" writers - mostly to do with perspective, knowledge and experience - but get onto the respective editors or writers and give it a go.
Sorry if i offended your sensibilities with my "colourful" olaf points. i have never met the guy and would probably think he's a knobhead if i did.
|
|
|
|
mutchBasic Member Posts:392
| 1/21/2005 12:56 PM |
|
|
anyone here ever hear of a Wexford band called Chaplin? Saw them at CrawDaddy last night, bloody great band. elements of beta band, super furry animals, reggae...great stuff. would highly recommend to all cluas readers. the last tune they played turned into sample heavy dance type thing-hope I'm not misrepresenting the band here- but it was one of those "where did that come from" moments, in a great way.
|
|
|
|
mickBasic Member Posts:411
| 1/21/2005 1:03 PM |
|
|
i hope the lads from the marshal stars do well. good music. good lads. it'd be nice to see success going to people who are quite deserving
|
|
|
|
GarVeteran Member Posts:1676
| 1/21/2005 1:10 PM |
|
|
Pilchard, cheers for all that. And I have been doing all that since last summer, contacting editors, submitting stuff, pitching ideas, asking for advice....but still no results. Don't worry I'm still at it and as you said there are plenty of other magazines to write for or to read. I write alot for Cluas, well a good bit anyway and am building my portfolio up that way. A couple of side projects are coming up so hopefully they will get my name out there. Much appreicated though and don't worry about the Olaf comments, I went a bit overboard with what I previously said.
|
|
|
|
kierryBasic Member Posts:244
| 1/21/2005 1:20 PM |
|
|
HotPress is aimed at two markets: the market that likes music but doesn't know much about it, and the market likes music and supports irish crap.
the type that supports irish bands because they like ireland.
and probably keeps an eye for celtic results...
its just not good enough. i'd love it to be good enough, i'm not begrudging it, its just not good enough. there's little or no inventiveness in its writing.
sam snort? the mad hatters box? just HOW LONG have these been going on?
i dunno, i'll wait for hotpress. it'll either get better and i'll buy it, or it'll get worse, and i'll be senile, and i'll buy it.
|
|
|
|
flipperstiredBasic Member Posts:103
| 1/21/2005 2:15 PM |
|
|
Seein as i started all this i better comment. I agree with the majority of opinions regarding Hot Press magazine. I was interested however to see if people felt they had their finger on the pulse as regards who is making noise in the la la almost non existent a&R land of ireland. I think this year Ireland is going to produce a band on a large scale that we can be proud of. I think the vast majority of us would agree Snow Patrol are something to be proud of, but they are last years news, the thrills are already fcuked as far as i am concerned, simply not good enough to make a meaningful difference to peoples lives. From what people seem to be saying to me and in here is that we're looking at the Immediate, Jove, 66e, Mainline, Marshall Stars,Polar, the Rags,Alphastates, the Chapters as acts to be watching for. If that is the case, their list seems to be reasonably accurate right? dont all go gettin high on me now, am just saying that from what people in here talk about and whats on the list i posted, they do seem to be in reasonable cahoots with that we're thinking.
|
|
|
|
PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
| 1/21/2005 3:02 PM |
|
|
of course the HP list and the list that the Cluas folk have come up are by and large the same
first of all, HP writers read cluas. they see certain band names coming up again and again. they nick these names
second of all, ireland is a small place. OK we punch above our weight in terms of music acts who make (some sort of) impact on a transnational basis but we're still a small nation. chances are there are only a certain amount of bands that any observer with any kind of cop-on will think are worthy of tipping. chances are then that the lists will always cross over (see Bloc Party, The Bravery, The Game, KT TUnstall etc in the UK press)
But rather than just naming these names now and then waiting until they sign major deals and can afford to take out ads, HP should be ENCOURAGING these bands now. Someone wrote a great mail either on this thread or some other about the NME. I havent bought the NME in years but it still covers new music with massive enthusiasm every week. HP does not do this and because of this, is treated with rightful disdain by anyone looking for info on new music. Cluas, IMHO, is one of the best places to find out about new irish music - u may not agree with what everyone is saying about bands like Polar or (dare i say it? I do) Jove or 66e, but at least they are been talked about
|
|
|
|
WickerBasic Member Posts:185
| 1/21/2005 3:13 PM |
|
|
as everyone agrees that this site is of more value to them than HP..............
how about Cluas Magazine !!!!!
It's possible to achieve y/n?
|
|
|
|