Optimus Basic Member Posts:312  
| 11/24/2004 2:30 PM |
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I'm not saying you have to rock. I love Nick Kershaw, and apart from one or two typical pop songs, he had his finger on the cold pulse of the eighties.
What I am saying is that whiney singer/songwriter stuff is exactly what it is. Whiney.
Theres no balls in music anymore. No testosterone. No aggression. Which is when music is at it's emotional best. When the music is truly painful or aggressive, weither it be a riff or the singer or sometimes both, thats when the best s**t comes out. See the rolling stones, led zepp, guns n' roses et al for more details.
This pathetic persona that graces the whiney singer/songwrtier stuff is just poor. It doesnt inspire me or anyone I know, and my friends, who range broadley in musical tastes, dont get anything from it. They feel its coldness as much as I do.
I miss extremely creative music, most of which was last heard mid to late 90's, and even then only in dribs and drabs.
*sigh*
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Binokular Veteran Member Posts:1665
| 11/24/2004 2:35 PM |
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Originally posted by Optimus
No.
I said only GOOD rock and roll artists tell the truth. There's weakness in all variants of music.
Ok, that sounds a little more blanced, but I'll remind you that you said "Rock is the only truthful music that there is, you know?" which is plainly untrue.
Now I don't agree with Unicrons idea of relative truth, but lets not get into a discussion on philosophy and theology. What I do agree with is that it only depends on the artists ability to articulate that, or perhaps not articulate it even? Maybe the only truly honest music is the little songs kids make up to amuse themselves. |
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OptimusBasic Member Posts:312
| 11/24/2004 2:41 PM |
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Possibly.
But I did mean in relative context to the waves and pulses of music we've been having since the mid 90's.
Right about then was when Pop & dance took over as the predominant music types. In the 80's it was more in balance. So, mid-90's rockers were the ones to go to for the truth, from whatever point of view it's delivered.
Iron Maiden, Megadeth and Poison not withstanding!
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| 11/24/2004 3:52 PM |
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sorry optimus....
someone mentioned neosupervital?
i have to (mis)quote him and say that optimus is a rock fascist.
i go along with the relative truth thing. objective standards of good and bad imply some system or standard (which we have all agreed upon) by which music can be deemed bad or good, independent of "our relative truths", or the location of our preferences on said objective contuim of goodness and badness. the pop-charts is the closest thing music has to that, and i for one will never argue that something being at number one makes it "the best", in fact i would argue that the notion of "the best" in music is total nonsense, and is culturally as well as personally defined. "favourite" -now that's the word we need to use.
your view of g'n'r type cock-rock as the only true music is a nonsense and an ugly anglo-centirc view, especially since the alternatives we discuss here are not really very diverse, are they?
anyway jibberjabberjibberjabberjib. jab.
i know i said i wouldn't put another long post. sorry.
you gots to let it out.and we're not here to discuss philosophy, but as nietzsche wrote:
"every instinct which does not vent itself externally turns inwards, and it is at this point, the "internalisation of man", that what has come to be known as "the soul" first develops in man".
so there.
oh, and nietzsche LOVED wagner:)
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OptimusBasic Member Posts:312
| 11/24/2004 3:59 PM |
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Originally posted by bear
i have to (mis)quote him and say that optimus is a rock fascist.
your view of g'n'r type cock-rock as the only true music is a nonsense and an ugly anglo-centirc view, especially since the alternatives we discuss here are not really very diverse, are they?
First of all, I'm not a rock facist. My music ranges from classical to SOME pop. True rock is my first love, but I do enjoy the odd tidbit from the rest of the spectrum every now and then.
And guns n' roses arent cock rock. Posion, Twisted Sister, Skid Row, Motley Crue, AC/DC...these bands are cock rock.
Guns N' Roses were something more than any of these. Not so much the first 2 records, but definately the Use Your Illusions records, which dealt with similar topics and events that all the precious 70's rock bands did, but with more flavour.
But I would rather listen to cock rock if given the choice between that or the frames/coldplay/keane...they all sound the same to me anyway. |
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mickBasic Member Posts:411
| 11/24/2004 4:43 PM |
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bands with frontmen who dont play guitar and go crazeeee on stage are often more enjoyable to watch alright but most of the time wouldnt be my style of music to listen to on record.
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bonzoBasic Member Posts:364
| 11/24/2004 8:58 PM |
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Originally posted by mick
bands with frontmen who dont play guitar and go crazeeee on stage are often more enjoyable to watch alright but most of the time wouldnt be my style of music to listen to on record.
Mick surely that doesn't make sense - whether the singer plays guitar or not doesn't make a difference to the style of music. Damon Albarn, Bono etc. all play guitar but usually perform live in the most part without it. |
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OptimusBasic Member Posts:312
| 11/25/2004 8:33 AM |
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Yeah I agree.
Your post confuses yet arouses me Mick.
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kierryBasic Member Posts:244
| 11/25/2004 10:52 AM |
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Originally posted by Optimus
I appreciate what you're getting at but it still doesnt strike at the heart of the issue.
Rock is the only truthful music that there is, you know? Making it bland and uninvolving decimates what rock and/or roll stands for, in whatever format it comes out.
We've gone from the likes of Led Zepp, Blue Oyster Cult...even the Beatles(who I cant stand) to the likes of the Frames. Now I know the bands I've mentioned as positives arent Irish. But thats not the point. Music is on it's arse. It has been for almost a decade. It's been consistantly bone with only a handful of actually good acts with passion and fire to come in and out of the scene every so often.
This is an argument I had on cluas about 4 years ago.
The only honest musicians are good old fashioned rock artists like the above mentioned bands and others like Guns N' Roses, Alice In Chains etc.
Whats predominant these days is that kinda coldplay influenced slow "rock" or techno based pop/dance. Thats not music. Music should elevate and inspire. And rock is the last great hope for keeping music going. But even rock is dying a death. Even the so called metal/rock acts that are known as "nu-metal" bands are delivering the final blows to what was once the greatest music on the planet.
It's devestating to see this kind of neglect and compliance with banality corrupt the finest, most artistic and honest music in the world.
Anyway, that last paragraph was too biblical for even me.
*roots through his old record collection* Oh yes - A bit of the Zepp.
haha!!
this is the most pompus post ever.
i commend you for it sir!  |
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OptimusBasic Member Posts:312
| 11/25/2004 12:14 PM |
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Thank you I think.
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| 11/25/2004 1:10 PM |
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no! surely no-one can out-pomp the bear?! i've been usurped. a thousand curses on you optimus!!!
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OptimusBasic Member Posts:312
| 11/25/2004 1:31 PM |
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Originally posted by bear
no! surely no-one can out-pomp the bear?! i've been usurped. a thousand curses on you optimus!!!
I'm not going to retaliate. I'm above it.
Dont cry....dammit. I promised myself i wouldnt do this. |
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mickBasic Member Posts:411
| 12/1/2004 1:37 PM |
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Originally posted by bonzo
quote:
Originally posted by mick
bands with frontmen who dont play guitar and go crazeeee on stage are often more enjoyable to watch alright but most of the time wouldnt be my style of music to listen to on record.
Mick surely that doesn't make sense - whether the singer plays guitar or not doesn't make a difference to the style of music. Damon Albarn, Bono etc. all play guitar but usually perform live in the most part without it.
sorry only saw this now. i'll clarify for you what i meant...
you were saying singers that go mad on stage, there are a few great bands around dublin like the things etc who have great frontmen and are a real pleasure to watch, but arent the style of music i'm into.
i dont know why it is but most of the bands that i truely enjoy have frontmen who play guitar...
radiohead/blur... both play guitar and are incredibly enjoyable to watch live and when they arent playing guitar and are going crazy onstage they're still enjoyable to watch but not anymore so for me if ya get me. |
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Dromed Advanced Member Posts:900
| 12/1/2004 3:30 PM |
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So...getting back to the issue of'Front men/women' - How about a poll?
Who would you name as your favourite:
1) Irish frontman/woman of all time
2) Favourite non-Irish frontman/woman
We'll see from the answers if playing the guitar/other instrument, while fronting, has any bearing on peoples choices.....
To kick off my choices would be...
1)Mik Pyro - Republic of Loose
2)Jarvis Cocker - Pulp
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UnicronVeteran Member Posts:1696
| 12/1/2004 3:53 PM |
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1) Paul Noonan
2) Thom Yorke
Both occasional guitarists during gigs.
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bonzoBasic Member Posts:364
| 12/1/2004 4:08 PM |
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1) Bono
2) Mick Jagger
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KarlitoBasic Member Posts:210
| 12/1/2004 4:21 PM |
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Frontman:
In his days with the Verve
Richard Ashcroft
Frontwoman:
Can't think right now, but not really a front woman as such but PJ Harvey
Also must give a mention to Keith Flint and Maxim from Prodigy, while neither are front men, they are very exciting to watch live
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mutchBasic Member Posts:392
| 12/1/2004 4:29 PM |
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Mike Patton
Sharon Shannon
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spurtacusBasic Member Posts:229
| 12/1/2004 4:31 PM |
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gonna be witnessin the prodigy tear the olympia apart on the 11th, cant f**kin wait for it,
Fave frontman today is Guy McKnight of 80's matchbox, Frontwoman: Alison Goldfrapp
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KarlitoBasic Member Posts:210
| 12/1/2004 4:33 PM |
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Good man Spurtacus on the Prodigy.....
Any word on support???
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