Ally Basic Member Posts:347  
| 1/7/2008 3:12 AM |
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una, i need to ask you something?...
as someone who is paid to listen to music, i'm willing to accept that you've given enough albums a listen this year to make your top 10 a valid reflection of your tates... i.e. it means something (to you anyway)... a good number of the rest of us might also list our tenth favourite album as our tenth least favourite so it means almost nothing...
anyway, the question?... do you ever have time to properly fall in love with music anymore or has it become like fast food for you?
this is one of the things i hate most these days and one of the main reasons i have completely ignored the download format..... "hmmm, that song / album's great!... now what's next?"
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Binokular Veteran Member Posts:1665
| 1/7/2008 5:56 AM |
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Posted By Ally on 07 Jan 2008 3:12 AM
this is one of the things i hate most these days and one of the main reasons i have completely ignored the download format..... "hmmm, that song / album's great!... now what's next?" Totally agree, and I say that as someone who purchases almost all my music by download too (90 tracks a month from emusic, add whatever CDs I buy on top of that). It becomes easy to be more concerned with keeping up with the latest thing than just enjoying music. I find that sometimes albums can can be in my mp3 collection months before they are properly "digested". It's not a reason to ignore the download format though, just a reason not to fret about keeping up with the Blogosphere. So I finally properly discover something after it's old news? doesn't make the album any less enjoyable. I tend to focus on my own little niche of stuff I'm really into, of which theres plenty to keep me going, while still trying to be open to everything else, just haven't got the time to try keep ahead of whats the latest happening thing on a wider scale. |
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starbelgrade Advanced Member Posts:715
| 1/7/2008 6:07 AM |
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I'm not sure what effect downloads have in that sense - I've never actually downloaded anything except the Radiohead album & that's still sitting on my work PC! I'll get the CD so I can listen to it properly - I got an MP3 thingey 2 years ago, but it was so much hassle transferring CDs to it, it hasn't even been charged up. I don't buy all that much anyway - I tend to buy around 20-30 albums a year, usually around Xmas time - I listen to the radio a lot for new stuff... mostly the BBC stations, then buy a bulk load of CDs in one go... that does me for a year or so & by the end of it, they're well & truly "digested" !
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AllyBasic Member Posts:347
| 1/7/2008 6:50 AM |
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Posted By starbelgrade on 07 Jan 2008 6:07 AM
I'm not sure what effect downloads have in that sense - I've never actually downloaded anything except the Radiohead album & that's still sitting on my work PC! I'll get the CD so I can listen to it properly - I got an MP3 thingey 2 years ago, but it was so much hassle transferring CDs to it, it hasn't even been charged up. I don't buy all that much anyway - I tend to buy around 20-30 albums a year, usually around Xmas time - I listen to the radio a lot for new stuff... mostly the BBC stations, then buy a bulk load of CDs in one go... that does me for a year or so & by the end of it, they're well & truly "digested" ! that is a good way of doing it i reckon... it takes out the "keeping up with the scene" scenario that binokular was suggesting... i probably buy between 50 and 100 albums a year, either on lp or cd... i am seriously trying to cut down as i cannot digest these as much as i would like... i am lucky if i take 5 albums out from each year that i have become intimate with.... |
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starbelgradeAdvanced Member Posts:715
| 1/7/2008 7:08 AM |
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Posted By Ally on 07 Jan 2008 6:50 AM Posted By starbelgrade on 07 Jan 2008 6:07 AM
I'm not sure what effect downloads have in that sense - I've never actually downloaded anything except the Radiohead album & that's still sitting on my work PC! I'll get the CD so I can listen to it properly - I got an MP3 thingey 2 years ago, but it was so much hassle transferring CDs to it, it hasn't even been charged up. I don't buy all that much anyway - I tend to buy around 20-30 albums a year, usually around Xmas time - I listen to the radio a lot for new stuff... mostly the BBC stations, then buy a bulk load of CDs in one go... that does me for a year or so & by the end of it, they're well & truly "digested" ! that is a good way of doing it i reckon... it takes out the "keeping up with the scene" scenario that binokular was suggesting... i probably buy between 50 and 100 albums a year, either on lp or cd... i am seriously trying to cut down as i cannot digest these as much as i would like... i am lucky if i take 5 albums out from each year that i have become intimate with.... I thought I was just being scabby!! Nah - I used to buy a LOT more, but ended up with a pile of crap albums with one good track on each.. if I don't hear more than one good tune off an album (from the radio), I won't buy it... then there's the "overplay" factor - if I hear a band / song that really grabs me in say, February, I might be sick of it by April & glad that I didn't rush out to buy it (or these days, rush onto the web to order it!).. the only exception I'd make is for the likes of Sonic Youth and Damon Albarn.. though having got "Demon Days D Sides" & Thurston Moore's solo LPs soon as they were released, I might review this policy!! |
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BinokularVeteran Member Posts:1665
| 1/7/2008 3:45 PM |
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Posted By starbelgrade on 07 Jan 2008 6:07 AM
I'm not sure what effect downloads have in that sense ! It's not merely the download side of things that has changed music, but the other aspects of the internet too. They way everything is so accessible nowadays, the way you can hear about some obscure 12" techno single from a tiny German record label and either buy it by mail order or purchase the high quality MP3. There is so much you can be exposed to now, it's all so immediate, whereas pre-internet, you'd have to actually go to a record store in Berlin to buy that same record, hell you'd probably have to live there and be seriously into the local scene to have even heard of it. You no longer have to be a serious crate digger anymore to be at the cutting edge of music or fill out your knowledge of older stuff, it's all there, without all that much work. A bit like VHS rentals suddenly made everyone a movie buff. As a result, journalists, bloggers and hipsters are all in a sort of "arms race" to be the first to find the next big thing, but because everyone is so busy discovering the next big thing, there is no next big thing really, because the next big thing is now last week. I'm not saying the immediacy of the web is bad or ruining music. I love the fact I can just find that tune in my head now, the days of looking for an album, literally for YEARS, are mostly gone now (though I've still never found that Plague Monkeys first album anywhere). It's not a bad thing, it's not neccesarily a good thing, it's just the way things are. This is the world now, pandoras box has been opened and you can't shut it again. We just have to adapt and decide what we actually want out of this new world rather than be overwhelmed by it. |
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AllyBasic Member Posts:347
| 1/8/2008 3:24 AM |
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Posted By Binokular on 07 Jan 2008 3:45 PM Posted By starbelgrade on 07 Jan 2008 6:07 AM
I'm not sure what effect downloads have in that sense ! It's not merely the download side of things that has changed music, but the other aspects of the internet too. They way everything is so accessible nowadays, the way you can hear about some obscure 12" techno single from a tiny German record label and either buy it by mail order or purchase the high quality MP3. There is so much you can be exposed to now, it's all so immediate, whereas pre-internet, you'd have to actually go to a record store in Berlin to buy that same record, hell you'd probably have to live there and be seriously into the local scene to have even heard of it. You no longer have to be a serious crate digger anymore to be at the cutting edge of music or fill out your knowledge of older stuff, it's all there, without all that much work. A bit like VHS rentals suddenly made everyone a movie buff. As a result, journalists, bloggers and hipsters are all in a sort of "arms race" to be the first to find the next big thing, but because everyone is so busy discovering the next big thing, there is no next big thing really, because the next big thing is now last week. I'm not saying the immediacy of the web is bad or ruining music. I love the fact I can just find that tune in my head now, the days of looking for an album, literally for YEARS, are mostly gone now (though I've still never found that Plague Monkeys first album anywhere). It's not a bad thing, it's not neccesarily a good thing, it's just the way things are. This is the world now, pandoras box has been opened and you can't shut it again. We just have to adapt and decide what we actually want out of this new world rather than be overwhelmed by it. :big thunderous applause emoticon: |
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starbelgradeAdvanced Member Posts:715
| 1/8/2008 3:44 AM |
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Bring back tapes, I say!
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UnaRocksBasic Member Posts:274
| 1/8/2008 8:10 AM |
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"do you ever have time to properly fall in love with music anymore or has it become like fast food for you?"
I go through phases. Because 90% of everything in the arts world (and everything else) is crap, you tend to become overexcited when something good comes along. Also, because I have to listen to so much s**t, it makes you appreciate the quality stuff more.
I listen to maybe five to ten new albums a week, and when you have to listen to crap, you can resent it because sometimes you don't get to listen to the stuff you want to. But I probably spend more time listening to individual tracks from new bands/artists and keeping up with what's very new to keep relatively ahead of the game.
My collegue Neil wrote a good piece (http://www.tribune.ie/article.tvt?_scope=TribuneFTF&id=109280&SUBCAT=&SUBCATNAME=&DT=30/12/2007%2000:00:00&keywords=shins&FC=) on the job of a critic and how - because you have to listen to so much stuff - how you can get it wrong and a certain amount of revision and forgiveness is needed from time to time.
Of course I still fall in love with music. Generally on a daily basis. Otherwise I wouldn't do the job anymore.
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AllyBasic Member Posts:347
| 1/8/2008 8:24 AM |
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Posted By UnaRocks on 08 Jan 2008 8:10 AM
Of course I still fall in love with music. Generally on a daily basis. Otherwise I wouldn't do the job anymore. i understand that but it's that daily basis thing that i have a problem with... do you ever get that "man, 1984 was all about lloyd cole's rattlesnakes and hanging about the corner of knight and dey newsagents with a new bunch of friends and going to massive house parties and getting picked up from the bus stop drunk out of my tree by my dad at 10.30 p.m." feeling? |
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UnaRocksBasic Member Posts:274
| 1/8/2008 9:38 AM |
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I'm not sure if I get what you're asking.
"but it's that daily basis thing that i have a problem with"
I think it's important to fall in love as often as possible.
And I was one-year-old in 1984...
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AllyBasic Member Posts:347
| 1/8/2008 9:51 AM |
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Posted By UnaRocks on 08 Jan 2008 9:38 AM
I'm not sure if I get what you're asking.
"but it's that daily basis thing that i have a problem with"
I think it's important to fall in love as often as possible.
And I was one-year-old in 1984... you have kinda answered me there una... you are lusting and not loving... the 1984 thing was my example... it could be "summer 2001 was modest mouse's moon and antartica where every song holds a different memory and the intro to tiny cities made my heart skip a beat" for you... you sound like you don't have time for these connections with your job... |
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starbelgradeAdvanced Member Posts:715
| 1/8/2008 10:41 AM |
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Does anyone have much time for those kind of connections when they are working full-time? I get what you mean... everyone's got albums / songs from their formative years that remind them of special times / places / people / events, but the older you get, the less time you have for that sort of thing.. I don't mean that you NEVER have those moments, but they do come less often. My most memorable musical moment from last year was hoping about at the Electric Picnic to LCD Soundsystem.. everytime I hear the album, it brings me back & I can visualise in my head almost every face, the scenery, the smells & sounds of all that was around me. Second to that was listening to The Good The Bad & The Queen album on almost constant rotation when I was in Cuba on holidays.. every song brings a different scene. If I was still in college & had 3 months off (& 9 months of doing almost f**k all except s**tloads of drugs), I'm sure there'd have been many, many more memories like that from 2007. But a 9-5 doesn't really allow for that.
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| 1/9/2008 3:10 AM |
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Posted By starbelgrade on 08 Jan 2008 10:41 AM
My most memorable musical moment from last year was hoping about at the Electric Picnic to LCD Soundsystem.. everytime I hear the album, it brings me back & I can visualise in my head almost every face, the scenery, the smells Not my most memorable moment from last year but still stands out, lost all my friends but had a great time hopping and dancing about to LCD Soundsystem. Bring a smile to my face on this dull morning...! |
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starbelgradeAdvanced Member Posts:715
| 1/9/2008 3:26 AM |
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Posted By Trix on 09 Jan 2008 3:10 AM Posted By starbelgrade on 08 Jan 2008 10:41 AM
My most memorable musical moment from last year was hoping about at the Electric Picnic to LCD Soundsystem.. everytime I hear the album, it brings me back & I can visualise in my head almost every face, the scenery, the smells Not my most memorable moment from last year but still stands out, lost all my friends but had a great time hopping and dancing about to LCD Soundsystem. Bring a smile to my face on this dull morning...! Certainly beats the half ten slump on a Wednesday morning at the office! |
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starbelgradeAdvanced Member Posts:715
| 1/9/2008 3:31 AM |
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And it definitely beats listening to the cynical ramblings of Carry Grant, whose most memorable musical moment from last year was when he played "Loveless" for the 40 millionth time since 1997. It was a milestone in his life.
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PARTONBasic Member Posts:188
| 1/9/2008 3:39 AM |
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Has to be the stones at slane, not beacause they are still a creative force or any of that cynical sh*te journos write about them..
just the fact that the missus got backstage passes through work, got hammered in the castle and met ronnie wood....me and the missus were standing behind marianne faithful...and the show was excellent..once in a lifetime experience......though i've never seen as many t*ssers in one place as in the "VIP" (term used loosely) area....jaysus....
at least the gargle was free!
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UnaRocksBasic Member Posts:274
| 1/10/2008 10:38 AM |
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"you have kinda answered me there una... you are lusting and not loving...
the 1984 thing was my example... it could be "summer 2001 was modest mouse's moon and antartica where every song holds a different memory and the intro to tiny cities made my heart skip a beat" for you...
you sound like you don't have time for these connections with your job..."
with all due respect, you can't possibly have any idea how I feel when I listen to music, nor whether or not I have the time to feel it.
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starbelgradeAdvanced Member Posts:715
| 1/11/2008 3:45 AM |
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I bet you feel pain when you listen to Westlife.
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PARTONBasic Member Posts:188
| 1/11/2008 4:14 AM |
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Boyzone are charging 69.50 to see them at the RDS...sweet jesus.....
thats half the weekly wage mikey graham gets for workin in supermacs
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