If you're fed up with the scene you could always form a band?

And call it "Art Brut".

there's lots of decent bands in ireland, but regarding sales, it means sod all. director sold 15,000 cds, the blizzards have sold over 13,000, and humanzi and the immediate sold over 3,000. all were on labels.

i can't see any of those acts mentioned selling over 2,500 in ireland without a deal, and until that happens people in other countries probably won't pay any attention.

music journalists in this country are fairly poor as a whole anyway.

Did Humanzi sell that many records? I remember reading a hatchet piece in the Irish Times (Carroll I think) where he compared their 600-odd album sales with the backing of a major label with The Immediate notching up 3000 or so with considerably less backing. Of course poor old Humanzi faced a classic Irish backlash for having the temerity to sign a major label deal without going through the usual grind of touring around the country playing in s**thole venues to 12 people for 3 years. I just hope that the Humanzi experience hasn't soured the attitude of the UK labels to Irish talent, as they managed to throw away their opportunity by going on one long bender for their first UK tour and appearing on stage drunk and sloppy. Ah, rock'n'roll. I imagine their manager's stock is considerably lower than it was during The Thrills' heyday anyway.

As above. Patron, I asked this question a week ago but still no reply. Dont you just love people like Patron who run around shouting wolf and then don't bother to back up their arguements? What an idiot.

"Dont you just love people like Patron who run around shouting wolf and then don't bother to back up their arguements? What an idiot. "

I was out of the country. I dont live on the cluas board so this is the first time I checked it....

regarding bands, I think had you read my previous posts I named some bands that I felt were not really good enough..its just my opinion....
And regarding journalists, well to be honest I think that obviously there are a number of people writing who have a genuine interest on whats going on and convey this in the articles they write....despite difference of oipinion with Carlsberg I think that Una would be a good example of a journalist from what I've read writes farily honestly and just seems to love music....thats a quality that seems to seep away from some music critics over time....and since I posted before I did some reading this week on different websites and magazines etc....

I had given some thought to this and to be honest I would say from what I've read, with the exception of Jim Carroll, Una and maybe John Maher, I really couldnt give a toss for the rest......thats as honest as I'm willing to be....I've no doubt your probably a journo yourself....you sound like you want to argue about something....

Regarding Humanzi...they are supposed to be really nice blokes....I think it was too much...too soon..too fast and the guy who signed them should be fired......2m notes is a ridiculous gamble to take on a debut....

Oh yeah and lads, if some of you dont think there is a "scene"...

I quote the cluas tag line...."lending an ear to the Irish Music Scene"...cheers