milkman Basic Member Posts:119  
| 7/17/2006 4:35 PM |
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as far as i'm aware, the rags had an internal dispute some time ago which led to certain members leaving and therfore lots fo songs being put aside.
its a shame, they were good.
i believe they have to honour a few commitments ('lectric pic etc) so they got some new personnel in, and will release that single.
hopefully they'll continue, a lot of potential there.
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ctrlaltdeleteBasic Member Posts:268
| 7/17/2006 4:38 PM |
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Turn are rubbish. Good riddance.
Ireland could do with culling a few more of its dreary, bottom feeder indie no-hopers.
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milkmanBasic Member Posts:119
| 7/17/2006 4:41 PM |
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otherwise, there are lots of talented bands working away, and the"scene" feels very healthy at the moment.
unfortunately very few unsigned bands played oxegen and very few will play electric picnic.
there's a two tier system of talent appearing a little - talent with deals and talent without. (obviously there's also crap with deals and crap without, but we'll ignore that).
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klootfan Advanced Member Posts:851
| 7/17/2006 5:12 PM |
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unfortunately very few unsigned bands played oxegen and very few will play electric picnic.
Is this because they dont have the connections or is it because they are just not good enough. Should irish bands be given slots at festivals just because they are Irish or should quality be the real test. That said, the lack of unsigned bands at oxegen was pretty obvious, so im not sure if quality was a factor here.
I know im being a little harsh here, but thrust me, down through the years ive gone to bucket loads of gigs of small irish bands and im really coming around to the opinion that alot of them just are not up to the standard...especially when you look at the UK. The UK is having a real boom in successful new bands, and NO its not all down to good PR...its good music.. the artic monkeys, the kooks, hard fi, bloc party... all good bands with good tunes. And a lot of them just kids. Can it be said that if the music is good enough, success will follow ? |
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petethedrummer New Member Posts:38
| 7/17/2006 6:04 PM |
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Originally posted by klootfan
I know im being a little harsh here, but thrust me, down through the years ive gone to bucket loads of gigs of small irish bands and im really coming around to the opinion that alot of them just are not up to the standard...
Have you been to small gigs in other countries yet?? their small bands are also muck. I've been to a few in the UK and America and I haven't seen any difference in quality whatsoever. I'm sure if some of our higher quality small bands were based in London or New York they would get more 'recognition' or 'success'(both highly subjective terms). |
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Unicron Veteran Member Posts:1696
| 7/17/2006 6:31 PM |
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Pete makes a good point, it's not really fair to say that the UK is producing bands that are doing well therefore there are no bad UK bands. The Kooks/Arctics (neither of whom I care for) etc. are obviously all a cut above your average band playing on the local circuit but I'd imagine that there are tons of terrible bands bumming around Camden.
The worst band I've ever seen was one I saw in the Bowery Ballroom in New York last may called Morning Wood. Turn were/are pretty bad but they piss all over them.
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PunchbowlBasic Member Posts:205
| 7/17/2006 6:48 PM |
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Well, I don't agree that Turn were that bad.. 'In Position' is a very fine song, and when they got it right Live, they got it very right indeed... But the problem isn't just down to quality. It isn't down the lack of good songs (Look at say, Blink for example) it's down to this countires demographic. We spend so long looking at NME, TOTP, RADIO2, SMASH HITS for guidance that Irish bands have became a bit of a joke. The whole fact that we can generalise them and group them into the 'Irish' band tag, sets them up. Also, with all due respect, their are some terrible, terrible bands out ploughing the pub rock furrow and they are having a negative affect on a lot of would-be punters.
When I was discovering music back in 1990 or so, Irish bands were on the cusp. They were huge. Saturdays in town would all be about 'free park' gigs, McGonagles etc. MTV were playing A House, the radio was filled with Power of Dreams, they were great days, but none of these bands actually came good. They were great bands too, and most people got frustrated supporting them. It's almost as if they let people down.
Ironicly, we now have a situation where I think Irish bands, if good enough, have a great chance to be big. Director will go global. Bell X1 are locally massive, and this soon begins to tell internationally so expect them to too. This success however, involves the bands in question distancing themselves from this very Irishness.
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UnicronVeteran Member Posts:1696
| 7/17/2006 9:30 PM |
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Speaking of Irish bands. I notice Humanzi's album came out last week and there's been little talk of it round these parts. Thus far they haven't really done enough for me live/on the radio/on the TV to make me consider parting with cash for the record so I'm wondering what people's takes on it are. Have they converted any of the nay sayers?
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| 7/17/2006 11:19 PM |
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Originally posted by Unicron
Speaking of Irish bands. I notice Humanzi's album came out last week and there's been little talk of it round these parts.
..really can't see much coming from them in the future, seen them live and the package of image/attitude/music is just so formulaic. Really like the single Fix The Cracks but heard that and you've heard it all.
Have the potential to get hyped up in NME for a week.
I think Channel One are on the same label - much more potential(in their music).
Director's single is by far the strongest I've heard from the new breed of Irish bands, excellent song. |
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dudleyBasic Member Posts:124
| 7/17/2006 11:26 PM |
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Most Irish bands do suck.
Most American bands suck too. Most of every art form from every country sucks 8)
You just have to sift through it and find yer diamonds!
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deraBasic Member Posts:163
| 7/18/2006 1:08 AM |
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Originally posted by palace
look beneath the surface and there is great music in ireland, though...
the charalambides gig i was at on thursday had two great supports, one more electronic drone stuff (papercut) and one more free folk stuff (agitated radio pilot)... then look at some of the independent record companies... slow loris put out some great experimental stuff and on a slightly larger scale, you've got the trust me i'm a thief and out on a limb labels... songwriters - martin finke is the greatest poet these lands have seen... what else... got an ep by richer than astronauts - that's great... skinny wolves / u:mack / ballroom of romance highlight loads of great local bands... also redneck manifesto - not many are better than these lads...
...no need to lose faith in irish music - just dig a little deeper...
ay, very much agree with this. look for the music that's not, y'know, screaming about itself (hm, sort of a rubbish way to put it, but anyway)
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Thomas WalshNew Member Posts:48
| 7/18/2006 4:22 AM |
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"Shoot me down in flames if I should tell a lie" as Dirk McQuickly once said but after 3 albums in Ireland and 2 in Australia PUGWASH (Me) will release "Jollity" on the 30th of October in England through Proper Distribution and then a European release will follow in early 2007 (France, Belgium, Germany, Italy, Holland).
I'm not splitting up with meself!! The good will out, no-one gives a s**t about what I do but believe me or not I don't care if they do!! I get invited to play nowhere by nobody but I BELIEVE in what I do and that will NEVER change.....
Don't believe the f**king hype ladies and gentlemen, it's very simple really.
Love - Thomas.x
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PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
| 7/18/2006 9:29 AM |
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good thread and i agree with most of it (which is strange and unusual)
i notice someone mentioned humanzi and i aint going to go there (see previous threads) but i did notice the lack of excitement and coverage.
turn? ordinary, ordinary band but they got three albums out which is much more than many ordinary bands can muster
a cull of irish indie bands is long overdue but i always assumed that marriage, kids and mortgages would take care of that. i blame the property market for the current state of irish indie rock! hey, it could be a new topic for david mcwilliams to explore!
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benniAdvanced Member Posts:947
| 7/18/2006 10:12 AM |
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Originally posted by Unicron
Speaking of Irish bands. I notice Humanzi's album came out last week and there's been little talk of it round these parts.
Taken from Humanzi's site -
our debut album "TREMORS" will be released this friday(21st) in ireland and on monday(24th) in the uk.
So it aint out yet! Got good reviews so far from what I've seen.
Incidently - they're doing an instore gig in HMV on Fri for the launch. |
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UnicronVeteran Member Posts:1696
| 7/18/2006 10:56 AM |
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Ah I stand corrected, I saw a (favourable) review in the ticket last week and assumed that it had been released last Friday and was surprised that no one had mentioned it yet.
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mickBasic Member Posts:411
| 7/18/2006 12:04 PM |
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Originally posted by bonzo
Another to add to the list would be Pilotlight (formerly Polar). They've been in London for ages and saw their homecoming gig this weekend. Average doesn't describe it.
bonzo,
firstly nice one for coming along on saturday, i know you've always taken an interest in our band and its much appreciated... apologies you didnt enjoy the gig. we tried a few new songs for the 1st time live and they didnt go exactly as planned and definitely broke up our set. we thought it was a good idea to air them here first to a receptive crowd who knew the set and would be interested in new material but in hindsight it probably wasnt the best idea as i think alot was expected of us as "the band who went to london to make it big" and we probably should have stuck to a set we were more comfortable with and had played in. hindsights a great thing though.
other than the few new tunes i dont think we'd a below average gig but different strokes for different folks.
on the whole 'slow death' of our band... personally i dont think one bad gig makes a bad band, especially at our level where things like a consistent sound engineer are beyond our financial means (this isnt supposed to be an excuse but more an insight into how outside factors can effect the consistency of a small band's live show), and at the moment things have been going very well for us... 95% of the people at the gig enjoyed it, we've been getting really great press and reviews both here and the uk and alot of people are interested in our band and our music, so i really dont see how a bad gig in one persons opinion equates to a 'slow death'.
anyway, again apologies you didnt enjoy the gig,
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GarVeteran Member Posts:1676
| 7/18/2006 12:29 PM |
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I reckon Stagger Lee are the next Irish band to pop.........it's just that dodgy bass player that they have!!!
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benniAdvanced Member Posts:947
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UnicronVeteran Member Posts:1696
| 7/18/2006 7:34 PM |
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Originally posted by palace
oh... and damien rice - he's split, hasn't he?
Currently on tour in the US opening for Fiona Apple. |
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deraBasic Member Posts:163
| 7/18/2006 7:55 PM |
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Originally posted by mick
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Originally posted by bonzo
Another to add to the list would be Pilotlight (formerly Polar). They've been in London for ages and saw their homecoming gig this weekend. Average doesn't describe it.
bonzo,
firstly nice one for coming along on saturday, i know you've always taken an interest in our band and its much appreciated... apologies you didnt enjoy the gig. we tried a few new songs for the 1st time live and they didnt go exactly as planned and definitely broke up our set. we thought it was a good idea to air them here first to a receptive crowd who knew the set and would be interested in new material but in hindsight it probably wasnt the best idea as i think alot was expected of us as "the band who went to london to make it big" and we probably should have stuck to a set we were more comfortable with and had played in. hindsights a great thing though.
other than the few new tunes i dont think we'd a below average gig but different strokes for different folks.
on the whole 'slow death' of our band... personally i dont think one bad gig makes a bad band, especially at our level where things like a consistent sound engineer are beyond our financial means (this isnt supposed to be an excuse but more an insight into how outside factors can effect the consistency of a small band's live show), and at the moment things have been going very well for us... 95% of the people at the gig enjoyed it, we've been getting really great press and reviews both here and the uk and alot of people are interested in our band and our music, so i really dont see how a bad gig in one persons opinion equates to a 'slow death'.
anyway, again apologies you didnt enjoy the gig,
mick
I've never heard your music but my friend saw you (he may have done sound for you actually) at the Barfly recently and he liked it. Just to say :) /totally random |
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