Una Veteran Member Posts:1721  
| 1/11/2006 10:03 AM |
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The Chalets or Hal should win. Everything else is pretty poor.
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Rev JulesVeteran Member Posts:1041
| 1/11/2006 10:18 AM |
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Hal are just another Beach Boys / Pet Sounds pastiche. Maybe they should get together with The Thrills and The High Llamas and form a Brian Wilson tribute band.
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Damien Basic Member Posts:316
| 1/11/2006 10:30 AM |
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Originally posted by Rev Jules
Hal are just another Beach Boys / Pet Sounds pastiche. Maybe they should get together with The Thrills and The High Llamas and form a Brian Wilson tribute band.
That would be good, they could all sit around eating cake and screaming at imaginary snakes. |
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Pilchard Advanced Member Posts:699
| 1/11/2006 10:49 AM |
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Originally posted by Rev Jules
Hal are just another Beach Boys / Pet Sounds pastiche. Maybe they should get together with The Thrills and The High Llamas and form a Brian Wilson tribute band.
what, i thought The thrills WERE a brian wilson tribute band? say it aint so
BTW any gamblers on cluas might be interested in the odds that Paddy Power have on the acts shortlisted for the Choice Music Prize
Bell X1 2 - 1
Hal 11 - 4
The Chalets 7 - 2
Turn 7 - 1
Joe Chester 10 - 1
Cane 141 12 - 1
Julie Feeney 14 - 1
Emmet Tinley 14 - 1
Duke Special 14 - 1
Nick Kelly 16 - 1
10s on joe chester look tempting to me.
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deraBasic Member Posts:163
| 1/11/2006 11:13 AM |
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Can anyone think of a safer, more radio-friendly shortlist of 2005 Irish releases? They must have missed something..
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MullyAdvanced Member Posts:849
| 1/11/2006 11:37 AM |
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Call me a cynic ....
On the contact page for Choice Award, FrictionPR are listed as the contact email address. Looking up the News Section of FrictionPRs site, they list news on artists, that I presume FrictionPR represent ... Bellx1, Joe Chester & The Chalets.
http://www.frictionpr.com/news.html
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Super Nintendo Chalmers New Member Posts:44
| 1/11/2006 12:45 PM |
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Originally posted by Rev Jules
Hal are just another Beach Boys / Pet Sounds pastiche. Maybe they should get together with The Thrills and The High Llamas and form a Brian Wilson tribute band.
Hal are an excellent band. and they put out a really good album. Personally i think some people on this site are music snobs, who hate to see any band get any reasonalbe degree of success and when they do, its time to slate the band. i would agree hal have strong Beach Boy (among other groups) influences but to call them "Another Beach Boys pastiche" is lazy. granted if you dont like them, you dont like them and everyone is entitled their own opinion. although i may be wrong in criticising you in particular, i feel these general types of lazy criticisms are often indicative of a group of pepole that like a band only when they are small but once they gain any success they feel the need to turn their back and criticise the band as if they are not allowed to be successful. (damien rice anyone?)
The Hal album is actaually one of the best albums Ive heard this year at all. i think people on this site, and Im not necessarliy directing this at you( the writer of the quote), take huge pride in listing off bands that people have not heard of, as if this is some kind of one up man ship, and this is almost more important than the quality of the output. Whats important is that the band is cool, that do actually have some good songs, and that few people have heard of them.
one final point, i think it is very interesting to note that these people are generally not in bands themselves and if they had been, the band was never very successful. they are purists who believe that fame can almost rob a band of its innocence and that any conmpromise to the big bad record company is tantamount to selling your soul. these people have little understanding of what it is like to try and make a career from playing music, and not a career while doing something else, but to be able to afford to live comfotably in Dublin while doing nothing but being in a band. ambition is ugly.
i'm sure i will get slated for this opinion because most people on this site are music snobs/ a la High Fidelity. just to reiterate this diatribe isnt necessarliy directed at the person who quote im replying to, its more of a general rant. |
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deraBasic Member Posts:163
| 1/11/2006 12:54 PM |
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Personally i think some people on this site are music snobs, who hate to see any band get any reasonalbe degree of success and when they do, its time to slate the band. i would agree hal have strong Beach Boy (among other groups) influences but to call them "Another Beach Boys pastiche" is lazy. granted if you dont like them, you dont like them and everyone is entitled their own opinion. although i may be wrong in criticising you in particular, i feel these general types of lazy criticisms are often indicative of a group of pepole that like a band only when they are small but once they gain any success they feel the need to turn their back and criticise the band as if they are not allowed to be successful. (damien rice anyone?)
The Hal album is actaually one of the best albums Ive heard this year at all. i think people on this site, and Im not necessarliy directing this at you( the writer of the quote), take huge pride in listing off bands that people have not heard of, as if this is some kind of one up man ship, and this is almost more important than the quality of the output. Whats important is that the band is cool, that do actually have some good songs, and that few people have heard of them.
i'm sure i will get slated for this opinion because most people on this site are music snobs/ a la High Fidelity. just to reiterate this diatribe isnt necessarliy directed at the person who quote im replying to, its more of a general rant.
post hoc ergo propter hoc? |
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
| 1/11/2006 1:40 PM |
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Hal are a great band and the album is excellent with fine attention to detail. I saw them maybe twice last year, and they were the tightest band I've seen on a stage for a long time.
Still, I enjoyed the Chalets record more, and they're also a fantastic band to see live, so they've got my vote.
And while I'm at it:
Bell X1 : the new album is a slide into poor form, the last album had a few crackers on it, Flock has none
Turn: same old, same old, with their latest record more irrelevent than the last
Joe Chester : good album, great musician, but not exactly made to be a star - lacking in effort perhaps?
Cane 141 : never heard of 'em, my bad
Julie Feeney : don't know her either, but I'm informed by a colleague that she seems to be quite something
Emmet Tinley : a fantastic voice, maybe one of the best around, and a beautiful performer
Duke Special : I get them confused with the Duke Spirit (change your name dudes), fine, but not memerable
Nick Kelly : not a fan, but then again, it's not my bag.
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UnicronVeteran Member Posts:1696
| 1/11/2006 1:41 PM |
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Originally posted by Super Nintendo Chalmers
one final point, i think it is very interesting to note that these people are generally not in bands themselves and if they had been, the band was never very successful.
Dumbest reason for trying to negate someone's opinion ever. I've never been minister for justice, does that mean that I'm not allowed to think that McDowell is a c**t? |
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
| 1/11/2006 1:48 PM |
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I'm sick of people labelling others 'music snobs' as if thinking some music is better than other music is a bad thing.
Generally, the people on Cluas are pretty informed, and don't faff on about bands that they're mentioning for the sake of seeming cool. Henceforth - not snobbish, just informed about quality, and interested in sharing their views, and informing others about bands they've come across.
You're not a music snob if you think Bell X1 are s**t, you just think Bell X1 are s**t.
Great things about message boards - you can't see if a member is wearing a skinny tie or not.
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Thomas WalshNew Member Posts:48
| 1/11/2006 2:07 PM |
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Hi all.....Please let me get one thing straight Mar et all. I'm not that senile or idiotic enough (I don't think?) yet, to sit here and post "Bah-Humbug I wasn't picked....." or "I'm brilliant HOW could MY record not get picked....."
Not me my friends, you won't find me in Lillies, you won't find me ligging with anyone but my friends and colleagues, I'm not that sad and conceited but the facts are this.....
1969 and myself heard of this award.
We got VERY excited. 
We thought "Here's an award for us to get our teeth into"
Well done to ALL concerned we said.
Well done to Jim Carroll and everyone who's involved.
People who've put my music in their top 10 of ALL TIME will be judging - BRILLIANT.
Let's send a package in through my much loved and respected PR person.
Just as we were about too, an e-mail was sent to us stating that the competition was open to debut albums only. 
BUGGER I said.....but fairs fair.
The list comes out and I get a little shall we say piqued. ![](/snitz/images/icon_smile_angry.gifborder="0")
AND WHY NOT for f**ks sake, I would have been proud to see my work there, maybe even shift a few more albums ya' know, be able to go from Corned beef to Chicken and Ham Roll..... 
So please don't think there's anything other than extreme dissapointment on my behalf for the sheer hard work a lot of people put into recording and releasing "JOLLITY" and it not being recognised because of "Some idiots ineptitude". That is the fact.
You may also say that my record was not good enough to be there and absolutely fine, that would be your totally entitled opinion but I have a sneaky feeling it may have been..... 
It's bloody good ya' know.....
Thanks for listening and hey Mar, I hope the night is a huge success 
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off the postBasic Member Posts:284
| 1/11/2006 2:08 PM |
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Originally posted by Una
Julie Feeney : don't know her either, but I'm informed by a colleague that she seems to be quite something
Tom Dunne played a no. from all the contenders last nite and I thought her's really stood out. Never heard of her before either. |
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deraBasic Member Posts:163
| 1/11/2006 2:14 PM |
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Originally posted by Una
I'm sick of people labelling others 'music snobs' as if thinking some music is better than other music is a bad thing.
Generally, the people on Cluas are pretty informed, and don't faff on about bands that they're mentioning for the sake of seeming cool. Henceforth - not snobbish, just informed about quality, and interested in sharing their views, and informing others about bands they've come across.
You're not a music snob if you think Bell X1 are s**t, you just think Bell X1 are s**t.
Great things about message boards - you can't see if a member is wearing a skinny tie or not.
dude I think I might love you. |
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
| 1/11/2006 2:15 PM |
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http://www.juliefeeney.com/music.cfm
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PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
| 1/11/2006 2:36 PM |
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can i have the microphone please, i have something to say?
I LOVE CLUAS!
great debate, great discussion. keep it going, i agree and disagree with loads of things that have been said here but the thing is they have been said and people are passionate about it
GO CLUAS!
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Rev JulesVeteran Member Posts:1041
| 1/11/2006 4:40 PM |
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Originally posted by Super Nintendo Chalmers
quote:
Originally posted by Rev Jules
Hal are just another Beach Boys / Pet Sounds pastiche. Maybe they should get together with The Thrills and The High Llamas and form a Brian Wilson tribute band.
Hal are an excellent band. and they put out a really good album. Personally i think some people on this site are music snobs, who hate to see any band get any reasonalbe degree of success and when they do, its time to slate the band. i would agree hal have strong Beach Boy (among other groups) influences but to call them "Another Beach Boys pastiche" is lazy. granted if you dont like them, you dont like them and everyone is entitled their own opinion. although i may be wrong in criticising you in particular, i feel these general types of lazy criticisms are often indicative of a group of pepole that like a band only when they are small but once they gain any success they feel the need to turn their back and criticise the band as if they are not allowed to be successful. (damien rice anyone?)
The Hal album is actaually one of the best albums Ive heard this year at all. i think people on this site, and Im not necessarliy directing this at you( the writer of the quote), take huge pride in listing off bands that people have not heard of, as if this is some kind of one up man ship, and this is almost more important than the quality of the output. Whats important is that the band is cool, that do actually have some good songs, and that few people have heard of them.
one final point, i think it is very interesting to note that these people are generally not in bands themselves and if they had been, the band was never very successful. they are purists who believe that fame can almost rob a band of its innocence and that any conmpromise to the big bad record company is tantamount to selling your soul. these people have little understanding of what it is like to try and make a career from playing music, and not a career while doing something else, but to be able to afford to live comfotably in Dublin while doing nothing but being in a band. ambition is ugly.
i'm sure i will get slated for this opinion because most people on this site are music snobs/ a la High Fidelity. just to reiterate this diatribe isnt necessarliy directed at the person who quote im replying to, its more of a general rant.
Hal are a Beach Boys pastiche, its not lazy to say it, its just true. If you like acts that sound like the Beach Boys, fine, just don't give out when people say, 'Hey that sounds like the Beach Boys'. If I want to listen to The Beach Boys, and I do sometimes, then I will listen to The Beach Boys. I won't listen to people who want to sound, and do, sound like the Beach Boys except without the brilliant songs.
I hardly think Hal are a good example of a big successful act, a profile in the colour section of the Irish edition of the Sunday Times and a few plays on Tom Dunne's Pet Sounds (another Beach Boys reference, how cute) does not a mega sucessful act make. Massive record sales, songs that enter the popular imagination and stay there, and global popularity would be a better yardstick.
To summarise:
Beach Boys: World famous act, zillions of record sales, classic back catalog. Still popular after all these years
Hal: Local Irish Beach Boys Pastiche Group, sold a few CDs, some people like them. |
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Rev JulesVeteran Member Posts:1041
| 1/11/2006 4:40 PM |
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Originally posted by dera
quote:
Originally posted by Una
I'm sick of people labelling others 'music snobs' as if thinking some music is better than other music is a bad thing.
Generally, the people on Cluas are pretty informed, and don't faff on about bands that they're mentioning for the sake of seeming cool. Henceforth - not snobbish, just informed about quality, and interested in sharing their views, and informing others about bands they've come across.
You're not a music snob if you think Bell X1 are s**t, you just think Bell X1 are s**t.
Great things about message boards - you can't see if a member is wearing a skinny tie or not.
dude I think I might love you.
Dude is a lady |
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
| 1/11/2006 4:54 PM |
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I prefer laydee.
Listen and learn.
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deraBasic Member Posts:163
| 1/11/2006 5:30 PM |
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Dude is a lady
Sorry, I meant it in a unisex kind of way. Dudette? Platonic love too, in case anyone's interested  |
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