blacksheep New Member Posts:50  
| 5/9/2006 10:37 AM |
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Recently while reading various music mags and newspapers I've noticed
the phenomonen of many journos using the words Pete Doherty and genius
in the same sentence.This week alone Hot Press make the claim on their
front cover and uncut has a Doherty bootleg on heavy rotation in their
offices,a genius offering called "the freewheelin' pete doherty".
Now I got no beef with dohertys lifestyle and I can choose whether to
listen to him or not BUT I do have a problem with him being feted as
a genius poet/songwriter.In the era of Bush/Blair this idea that
Doherty is a genius is the music industrys WMD.IT'S NOT THERE!!
Now I realise that this is only my opinion and obviously many muso
hacks have special ears when it comes to Doherty,however not one of
them has ever explained why they believe this guy to be a genius.
It's not in the music--I mean really,can anyone name one song that
would stand beside oh say bowies hunky dory phase or nick caves abbatoir blues--works which quite clearly have a mark of genius on them.I think not.
It's not in the poetry--Where's Dohertys "hard rain's a gonna fall"
or "Tramp the dirt down"?
It's non-existant.As a genius the guy is redundant.He's not even
in the top 10 million!
So where has this genius idea come from?
Well I suspect that these journos are in complete thrall to his
lifestyle.They equate being an artistic genius with being f**ked up/
stoned/alchoholic/addicted etc. which is complete nonsense.It's time
for these people to take the wax out of their ears and grow up.
Oh yeah if I hear one more hack say that Pete is "the Bob Dylan
of his generation"I will be responsible for what I do(unlike pete).
Thanks for reading.
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| 5/9/2006 11:07 AM |
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i know its a favourite pastime on here to slag off Hotpress but i was looking at the current issue and they had a piece on how the media is persecuting pete doherty and that they should leave him alone etc etc (hmm and the way to do that is to write yet another piece on him???)then a couple of pages later they have a 2page spread on following his antics on his irish "tour", and also print that photo of him allegedly injecting a fan: well done,way to sit on both sides of the fence-also the longer article contains some gem about how we may unfortunately never get to see the true extent of his "genius" because of his current lifestyle, thats an overused excuse and pretty tired sentiment at this stage
edit to add that how annoyed i am with myself for bothering to chip in my 2cents on yet another discussion about pete flippin doherty..its been a slow morning
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Una Veteran Member Posts:1721
| 5/9/2006 5:14 PM |
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yeah Mar, I noticed Hotpress' schizophrenia on Doherty this issue. Bit of a giggle.
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mannamanNew Member Posts:48
| 5/9/2006 11:37 PM |
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Cluas would never do that - write like two reviews on the same record!!! (gulp!!)
Only jokin I think eamonn mccann has a pretty free reign on what he writes for HP so wouldnt read into it that much
McCann is usually pretty informative and entertaining and did make some valid points!
Its kind of funny that we still all buy it though aint it??
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Damien Basic Member Posts:316
| 5/10/2006 7:45 AM |
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Reding something isn't proof of purchase. Personally I stand scowling at it in Easons*.
*I don't actually do this
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Protein biscuitBasic Member Posts:364
| 5/10/2006 10:02 AM |
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Or browsing down the back of Tower. Haven't bought a music mag in ages apart from the last Foggy Notions which i purchased out of a kind of patriotic compulsion.
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UnicronVeteran Member Posts:1696
| 5/10/2006 11:58 AM |
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The compilation CD on it was pretty good too.
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Protein biscuitBasic Member Posts:364
| 5/10/2006 12:29 PM |
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Yeah, all their CD's are generally top notch. Gives a good steer on bands that you wouldn't normally have the time or money to check out. Liked the last one a lot. Had been wondering what Konono No. 1 (?) sounded like and thanks to the Foggy CD i won't be goin' within an asses roar of them!
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
| 5/10/2006 12:48 PM |
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I get it free in work. I wouldn't buy Hotpress because frankly, I think it is s**t.
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Protein biscuitBasic Member Posts:364
| 5/10/2006 12:58 PM |
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Haven't read Hot Press in donkey's years. Used to read it as a teenager alright back in the Beatbox years along with an Irish pop music type mag called D-Side. Ah.... those were the days. What pisses me off about Hot Press whenever i glance at it is the contradictions that permeate the magazine like great reviews of bars and venues that have half-page/full-page ads further on in the magazine. Coincidence? Hmmm. I'm not so sure.
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mannamanNew Member Posts:48
| 5/10/2006 1:24 PM |
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Originally posted by Una
I get it free in work. I wouldn't buy Hotpress because frankly, I think it is s**t.
Why read it then? |
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Protein biscuitBasic Member Posts:364
| 5/10/2006 1:49 PM |
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Why read it then?
Why not? I read lots of s**tty magazines for free. |
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
| 5/10/2006 2:36 PM |
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I flick through it on the off chance that there is something interesting. There rarely is. I also believe that unless you are knowledgeable on a subject, you don't have a right to criticise it.
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mannamanNew Member Posts:48
| 5/10/2006 2:48 PM |
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Originally posted by Una
I flick through it on the off chance that there is something interesting. There rarely is. I also believe that unless you are knowledgeable on a subject, you don't have a right to criticise it.
I'll agree with you on that one but by getting it free you are one up on me!
I decided recently that I didnt have right to really pass further judgement on Republic of Loose until I listened to their album but even after shelling out 15 squids I am no more convinced!! 
Hate when that happens - There is always Ebay though!!  |
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nerrawBasic Member Posts:475
| 5/10/2006 3:38 PM |
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Originally posted by Protein biscuit
like great reviews of bars and venues that have half-page/full-page ads further on in the magazine. Coincidence? Hmmm. I'm not so sure.
Totally Dublin and Indublin are the worse for that s**t. Every bar in Dublin according to Tot Dub is fantastic, great, smashing etc.
Although it was fun to see the pair of them complain to the ABC circulation figure people at how many free copies they give out |
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
| 5/10/2006 10:30 PM |
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Totally Dublin is an advertising magazine. So is InDublin. You can't really argue about the content of FREE advertising magazines. If Totally Dublin started saying 'Doheny and Nesbitts is a s**t hole, everyone who goes their should have rugby balls stapled to their collective scrotums' it wouldn't be the wisest move, because their advertising makes them exist. Of course they're going to say everywhere is alright.
Exceptions to the rule: Mongrel. The Slate. The Onion (in print form)
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cometBasic Member Posts:485
| 5/11/2006 10:15 AM |
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So NME have turned on Pete?? will wonders never cease. From todays Indo
Pete Doherty . . . hero or 'worn out drug addict'
Thursday May 11th 2006
PETE Doherty has been voted one of the greatest rock heroes of all time by readers of the 'New Musical Express' - but the magazine itself has dismissed him as "just a worn-out drug addict".
The troubled singer came second in the list of all-time greats, runner-up to the late Nirvana frontman Kurt Cobain.
But the NME - which only two years ago named Doherty as its "Cool Icon" - expressed dismay at his inclusion. The magazine admitted it was "a bit surprised" the crack-addicted star is still considered a hero to so many.
"Yes, there was a time when Pete Doherty lived his life with an unrivalled romantic zest, when he represented a truly anti-establishment voice," it tells readers in the latest issue.
"But is he really still your hero? Now that his second home seems to be the courtroom? Now that he misses more gigs than he plays? Now that the performances in flats are cynical ploys to make crack money? Now that the 'sensitive songwriter' has a black eye every other week? Now he's spotted in the tabloids every other day looking no different to junkies passed out on the street.
Morrissey came third, followed by Liam Gallagher.
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Norman SchwarzkopfBasic Member Posts:427
| 5/11/2006 10:49 AM |
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Selling "blood paintings" at a grand a pop too. Lovely.
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Protein biscuitBasic Member Posts:364
| 5/11/2006 10:51 AM |
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Exceptions to the rule: Mongrel. The Slate. The Onion (in print form)
Have to agree with you there Una. Mongrel is really good and i still bemoan the passing of The Slate. That really stirred things up for a while and it's articles and perspective were waaaay off centre but deliciously so. |
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Pilchard Advanced Member Posts:699
| 5/11/2006 11:56 AM |
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mongrel rocks - great mag
I never liked the Slate - i found it very childish and rag mag-like. it says it all when u hear that the ex-editor hugh ormond is now eamon dunphy's producer on Newstalk.
as for pete doherty...no, i'm not getting into that.
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