bonzoBasic Member Posts:364
5/3/2006 10:07 PM |
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First it was booking fees...
Concert punters to pay new Garda service fee
Fiona Gartland
The price of tickets for music and sports events is set to increase following the introduction of legislation under which gardaí can charge for providing their services, a seminar for event managers was told yesterday.
The seminar heard that costs incurred by the events industry following the implementation of three Acts are likely to be passed on to customers.
The Garda Síochána Act, 2005, which allows gardaí to charge for providing their services outside at concerts and sporting events from June 1st, will add to costs for event organisers.
The Private Security Services Act, which requires security staff to be trained and registered with the Private Security Authority, and the Safety, Health and Welfare at Work Act, 2005, will also affect the cost of tickets for such events, the seminar was told.
Gar Holohan, chairman of events management company Aura Holohan Leisure Group, said the three pieces of legislation place financial demands and considerations on promoters that have to be met.
"This legislation means that promoters must now meet the cost of obtaining indoor licences and of ensuring that all stewards and security staff paid to work at events are licensed, trained and registered," he said.
"Uncertainty currently exists as to whether An Garda Síochána will act on the legislation allowing it to charge for outside event support services which are currently provided free of charge."
The price increase was one of a number of issues discussed at the National Events Seminar 2006 in Tullamore, the first of its kind organised by events managers Aura Holohan Leisure Group. The seminar will also discuss site planning and risk assessment, fire safety risks, crowd management and traffic planning.
The two-day conference also examined the threat posed by "cowboy" concert promoters.
Mr Holohan said anyone can set themselves up as a promoter in Ireland, organising events for up to 5,000 people without having to prove they are competent or could respond effectively to an emergency.
Other speakers included Melvin Benn, director of the Glastonbury festival, Richard Limb, former chairman of the UK national working party on health, safety and welfare at pop concerts and similar events, and Brian Blake, principal emergency planning and licensing officer, Westminster Council.
© The Irish Times
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Vent My SpleenAdvanced Member Posts:500
5/4/2006 8:42 AM |
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This legislation would probably be better directed at the door staff manning your local pub/club where you are most likely to encounter wannabe hard men, criminals and 'roid addled muscle monkeys from the local gym.
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MullyAdvanced Member Posts:849
5/4/2006 9:16 AM |
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With all this recent talk of the Reserve Garda Force, I honestly think this is why the fulltime Gardaí are playing hardball ... these reserves would be doing for free, what the Gardaí get TriplePay for doing ... Concerts, Croke Park, Lansdowne Rd, Curragh.
The FCA do it for the army, all the pissy little jobs that the army dont like to do, but are well paid to do.
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cometBasic Member Posts:485
5/4/2006 10:19 AM |
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Ticket prices on the rise, nothing new there, its time for a boycott of a big event i think.
quote: Originally posted by Mully
With all this recent talk of the Reserve Garda Force, I honestly think this is why the fulltime Gardaí are playing hardball ... these reserves would be doing for free, what the Gardaí get TriplePay for doing ... Concerts, Croke Park, Lansdowne Rd, Curragh
Absolutely and plus not alone do they get good money but these are very cushy numbers and a lot handier than dealing with "real" policing work. Hopefully McDowell doesn't back down.
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PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
5/4/2006 10:40 AM |
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they tried to do something similar in the UK but Mean Fiddler kicked up and they won their appeal yesterday. expect to see another day in court here about it
from http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...re/4969154.stm
Festival chiefs win police appeal
One of Britain's biggest music festival promoters has won a legal battle over who pays to police major events.
Mean Fiddler, which runs the Leeds Festival, had been ordered to pay West Yorkshire Police nearly £300,000 for its services at the event in 2003.
But Appeal Court judges said they were not "special police services" and could not be recovered from the promoter.
Lord Justice Baker said the ruling had implications for major events and any large gatherings of the public.
He said the court was being asked to decide on the dividing line between services the police must provide as part of its public duty and special services provided at the request of promoters, for which promoters must pay.
Lord Baker said: "There is a strong argument that where promoters put on a function such as a music festival or sporting event which is attended by large numbers of the public, the police should be able to recover the additional cost they are put to for policing the event and the local community affected by it.
"This seems only just where the event is run for profit. That, however, is not the law."
Allowing the appeal, he said it had not been established that a request had been made for "special police services" at the three-day event at Bramham Park near Leeds.
The court heard Mean Fiddler, which also runs the Glastonbury and Reading Festivals, had organised the Leeds Festival since 1999 and asked for and paid for "special police services" until 2003.
But in 2003 there was no police presence within the music arena and Mean Fiddler argued it was therefore not liable to pay for police activity outside the site.
Mr Baker said it was for the promoter to decide, after negotiation, what special police services it wanted, otherwise it would have no choice but to pay the police for whatever scale of operation they chose to mount.
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5/4/2006 10:57 AM |
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Gardaí scmardaí, They get paid to police the nation just f**king do it. Are they gonna keep up this nixer mentality and start charging Bridies a tenner a go for stopping some gouger robbing their handbag.....to reitterate, Gardaí scmardaí!!!
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nerrawBasic Member Posts:475
5/4/2006 11:50 AM |
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The idea of Gardai Reserve is fvcking nuts. You'll have every sort of nosey, righteous arsehole signing up. Imagine the sort of people that would want to do the job.
But yeah concert prices are a rip off. We need an alternative to clearchannel
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MullyAdvanced Member Posts:849
5/4/2006 11:59 AM |
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quote: Originally posted by nerraw
The idea of Gardai Reserve is fvcking nuts. You'll have every sort of nosey, righteous arsehole signing up. Imagine the sort of people that would want to do the job
Googling "police reserve" brings up 114,000 hits ... We're not the first to come up with the idea. It works all over the world, so why not here ?
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nerrawBasic Member Posts:475
5/4/2006 12:18 PM |
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quote: Originally posted by Mully
quote: Originally posted by nerraw
The idea of Gardai Reserve is fvcking nuts. You'll have every sort of nosey, righteous arsehole signing up. Imagine the sort of people that would want to do the job
Googling "police reserve" brings up 114,000 hits ... We're not the first to come up with the idea. It works all over the world, so why not here ?
Googling, well if you're going to get technical ;)
Police should police, not my nosey neighbour who has fvck else to do with her time. If they're pen pushing behind a desk, fine. But not out on the street. you'll have a bunch of shinners, bouncers, resident associations (when not complaining about mobile phone masts) and just busy bodies. No way.
Just give us the extra Gardai that FF/PD promised
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cometBasic Member Posts:485
5/4/2006 12:23 PM |
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And where do you think Gardai come from, they don't come off a clone production line in templemore you know, they are just ordinary people too, nothing special, they are your noesy neighbour etc. I think the police reserve force is a good idea.
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nerrawBasic Member Posts:475
5/4/2006 12:46 PM |
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quote: Originally posted by comet
And where do you think Gardai come from, they don't come off a clone production line in templemore you know, they are just ordinary people too, nothing special, they are your noesy neighbour etc. I think the police reserve force is a good idea.
Yes, they'll receive a great deal more training in templemore. It's just a daft idea. Imagine bouncers on the streets. Imagine that annoying twat that does security at the festivals telling you what to do.
Agree to disagree. Back to the music!
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cometBasic Member Posts:485
5/4/2006 1:24 PM |
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we'll call it a draw so! .... now back to just moaning about ticket prices ;o)
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