klootfanAdvanced Member Posts:851
4/13/2006 3:18 PM |
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I was at a gig in the TBMC no too long ago, where the opening act was a DJ set by 2 girls.
The girls had their setup on the main stage in full view of all, this I suppose reflected the fact that they were the warm up.
But it kinda had me wondering. What is the role of the DJ, should the DJ take a back seat to the music they are playing, hence why do we need to even see the DJ. I can understand needing access to the DJ, if they are of the kind who takes requests from the audience, but if not, then why do we need to see them ? is it not just the music they play that we are concerned with. Or is it that there are different types of DJs and that the DJs who opened for that gig would consider themselves to be artists in their own right, Therefore deserving of a platform to show off their work.
I duno, its just something that always had me wondering. Would you pay to go see a DJ perform his/her work as you would a band. Couldnt see myself doing that.
That said, I do appreciate a DJ who knocks out a good set of tunes and can really work a crowd. I suppose to do that, then a good DJ needs to judge the crowds reaction and therefore needs to be in view of the audience...
I know there are a good few DJs on this site, so what do ye think. Are DJs appreciated enough ?
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MullyAdvanced Member Posts:849
4/13/2006 3:49 PM |
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Watch '24 Hour Party People', the film about Tony Wilson.
All is explained in it ... Well, not all, Just about Hailing a DJ.
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strollerAdvanced Member Posts:576
4/13/2006 3:54 PM |
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quote: Originally posted by klootfan
why do we need to see them ? is it not just the music they play that we are concerned with.
Could that same argument not apply to a live band?
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MullyAdvanced Member Posts:849
4/13/2006 3:55 PM |
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Wasnt there 'Chicks with Decks' doing the rounds a few yrs ago ...
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klootfanAdvanced Member Posts:851
4/13/2006 4:00 PM |
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quote:
Could that same argument not apply to a live band?
I suppose it could, except that a band live can convey an energy that is contagious to the rest of the crowd.. can a DJ do the same. all that one arm in the air stuff
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
4/13/2006 4:00 PM |
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good point from Stroller.
DJing can be just as much about a performance as anything else on a stage. I was at Michael Mayer recently (TMBC again) and his presence and enthusiasm was one of the reasons I enjoyed the gig so much. DJing is a live experience which can be as much about a technique that's viewable and aesthetics than anything else.
Plus, with big names, part of the fun is seeing them a couple of yards away from you, them feeding off thr crowd, the crowd feeding off them. Going to see a brilliant DJ is far more of an interactive experience than going to see a band, often, in my opinion.
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WhoMeBasic Member Posts:191
4/13/2006 4:01 PM |
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its just to get the atmosphere going. They are like the dancefloors mascot. The Dj can see exactly what is getting the crowd going and can adjust their playlist accordingly. Like, we vibe off them, they vibe off us kinda thing
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benniAdvanced Member Posts:947
4/13/2006 4:09 PM |
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Depends on the kind of DJ you're talkin about.
If you're a DJ that mixes and is technically gifted etc etc And are creating different things from various different tunes then yes I would consider that kinda of DJ to be just was important performance-wise as a live band because they are an artist.
I’m a DJ – but not the mixing kind.. well minimal mixing really.. I more just play good tunes etc. In bars yes it is important to be easily accessible to the crowd for requests as you say. At a night like the one described in the first post… ive done a few of those. Most recently Channel one in whelos(although I wasn’t actually on the stage) but usually in my experience (and for example like at the Channle One gig in the TBMC and whelans) its more to do with the fact that they know im a big fan of their music and share a lot of the same taste in music so they basically get a set before they come on that they like and feel suits the vibe of their set.
As far as being on stage for it is concerned - well sure its just a bit of criac between mates really aint it – to make a bit of a show of the whole thing.....
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nerrawBasic Member Posts:475
4/13/2006 4:09 PM |
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Check out James Zabiela, amazing dj, every set he plays is unique and is constantly dropping in loops and effects etc.
Nothing better than a good dj and a sweaty dark room
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
4/13/2006 4:14 PM |
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I used to love D&B nights in the Metropolitian. Gone now, all gone.
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strollerAdvanced Member Posts:576
4/13/2006 4:24 PM |
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quote: Originally posted by Mully
Wasnt there 'Chicks with Decks' doing the rounds a few yrs ago ...
Yup. I played before them In Galway one night. One of them (Leah?) DJ's under the name Kool Drool. She has a bar gig in Dublin called "Keep On Jumpin". I can't remember which bar though. She works in City Discs nowadays and she compiled the covermount CD for the latest issue of Foggy Notions.
There's another girl called Sinead who's involved with Phantom FM. She's used to play on the station back when they were still a pirate and when Culture section of the Sunday Times did a big write up on the station of Phantom there was a big picture of her so I assume she's going to be one of the main presenters..
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nerrawBasic Member Posts:475
4/13/2006 4:31 PM |
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Genius on Tuesday night in The Kitchen was one of the best club nights in Dublin.
Techno, triple vodka and can of redbull for £4. Good times.
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off the postBasic Member Posts:284
4/13/2006 4:50 PM |
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I wnet to see Shaun Ryder doing his Happy Mondays DJ set in the Crawdaddy and the whole thing was just one big joke. He had'nt a clue. He had a proper DJ beside him who just played a load of Manchester stuff like the Mondays, S Roses, Joy Division and so on. Of course he was spaced out anyway. At the same time his precence was infectuous and the crowd were just loving it. I enjoyed it myself and we got a good laugh out of it.
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strollerAdvanced Member Posts:576
4/13/2006 5:07 PM |
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quote: Originally posted by klootfan
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Could that same argument not apply to a live band?
I suppose it could, except that a band live can convey an energy that is contagious to the rest of the crowd.. can a DJ do the same. all that one arm in the air stuff
In short...yeah. The thing is that you'll rarely see a big band in a small room where as world renowned DJ's regulary play in 200 capacity venues. When it comes to hyping a crowd a DJ like Erol Alkan can create an atmosphere which most bands who play clubs of the same size would never be able to replicate. Some people just have stage presence.
And no-one yet has mentioned American hip-hop DJ's who use the mic to interact with the crowd verbally through call and response routines.
My big problem is musicians doing celebrity DJ sets (Shaun Ryder, Mani etc) and then charging way more money than a professional and superior DJ. I recentley paid over twenty quid to go to a Ladytron DJ set and they couldn't even mix. You can get away with that if you're playing indie but if you're going to be playing electro all night than you're going to need some skills.
I mean I wouldn't spend £20 to see Mr Scruff doing the whole sensitive singer songwriter thing with just a mic and a guitar.
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
4/13/2006 5:15 PM |
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Nerraw - I concur. How I miss Tuesday nights in there. Haven't hit the Kitchen 'reunion' nights yet - any good do ya know?
I generally limit my DJ attendances to Remedy gigs because they bring over the best acts IMO, although Backlash Thursdays in Wax is good.
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GarretBasic Member Posts:244
4/13/2006 5:25 PM |
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Empty stage would be a bit boring
gives you something to look at
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PunchbowlBasic Member Posts:205
4/13/2006 6:52 PM |
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quote: Originally posted by Mully
Wasnt there 'Chicks with Decks' doing the rounds a few yrs ago ...
Indeed, I was DJing upstairs in the old 'DA 2' Bar (Now Carnival) the night they made their illustrious debut. Needless to say their combination of youthful energy and girlish er, looks, won them more of an audience than me but I hadn't heard much of them lately. I think the twosome refered to in the original post are the the Loveaction girls http://myspace.com/loveaction..
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