Norman Schwarzkopf Basic Member Posts:427  
| 12/6/2005 11:57 AM |
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Hello,
Was wondering if anyone could help me find out a good estimate (if not the actual figure) for the overall attendance at last year's HWCH? Maybe how many weekend tickets were bought, that kind of thing. Or who I should get in touch with to find that out?
Thanks..
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Gar Veteran Member Posts:1676
| 12/6/2005 12:14 PM |
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info@hwch.net or (01) 878 2250 .......... might help
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Norman SchwarzkopfBasic Member Posts:427
| 12/6/2005 12:18 PM |
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Thanks...!
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| 12/6/2005 6:21 PM |
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Am i following you around forums or are you following me?
Said it to ya already, but its a good resource so I'll say it again for everybody else.
http://www.fmc-ireland.com/ THe Federation of Music Collectives ran the HWCH last year. Lots of pertinent info on the site
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Norman SchwarzkopfBasic Member Posts:427
| 12/6/2005 7:02 PM |
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Maybe I AM A FORUM!! Thanks again, been onto them and they told me what I wanted to know!
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Pilchard Advanced Member Posts:699
| 12/8/2005 4:23 PM |
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i have to say that the FMC confuses the hell out of me. I'd NEVER heard of music collectives in ireland before they popped up and the ones they list all seem to be rather low-profile. plus i thought that HWCH was done by Brian Carroll who's in Stars of the City?
also anyone ever wonder how come FMC get so much funding from the Arts Council for their stuff?
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| 12/8/2005 4:58 PM |
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Originally posted by Pilchard
also anyone ever wonder how come FMC get so much funding from the Arts Council for their stuff?
afaik, they arrange some foreign showcases for irish bands and sort out the sponsorship from arts council amongst others that the bands need to get there...
http://www.musicfromireland.org |
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| 12/8/2005 5:43 PM |
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have to say that the FMC confuses the hell out of me. I'd NEVER heard of music collectives in ireland before they popped up
Apparently they're the first then
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and the ones they list all seem to be rather low-profile. plus i thought that HWCH was done by Brian Carroll who's in Stars of the City?
To the best o my knowledge Mr Carroll works with/works for/runs FMC, someting like that.
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
| 12/10/2005 7:50 PM |
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one person could never organise and run a festival of HWCH's side. So FMC and others pitch in. It's strange that people see such a thing as something vaguely sinister.
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| 12/11/2005 4:56 AM |
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Yeah, people can get very suspicious very easily. I'd assume that FMC get so much fuding from the Arts Council etc because they did their homework and are taking advantage of everything that's available to them. More power to them.
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PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
| 12/12/2005 9:29 AM |
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Originally posted by Una
one person could never organise and run a festival of HWCH's side. So FMC and others pitch in. It's strange that people see such a thing as something vaguely sinister.
no una, dont find it "sinister" but "interesting". especially because of the close family links between the FMC and the Arts Council...... |
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
| 12/12/2005 2:01 PM |
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oh, i don't know what links you're talking about
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PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
| 12/12/2005 8:43 PM |
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Originally posted by Una
oh, i don't know what links you're talking about
make a few phone calls una, make a great sunday tribune news story! |
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| 12/15/2005 12:50 PM |
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Oh Pilchard, this is old news. fmc have been funded by the arts council for ten years . Angela's brother has been on the council for two. also all council members who declare an intrest in any arts organisation are prohibited from contributing to any funding decisions with regards to that organisation. see,no big story for the trib to break.
If you're at all interested in the reality of all of this, here's a couple of figures for you.
fmc is the ONLY popular music client of the arts council.
fmc's annual grant is under a fifteenth of that received by opera. fmc brings in 4 times more funding from sponsorship of various activities (including HWCH, one of its flagship projects) than it receives in gov funding
fmc constantly lobbys the arts council and other funders on behalf of bands and solo artists
fmc is a FREE resource
fmc is a not for profit organisation
funders read boards like these, do you think you could maybe contribute rather than have a go at people who ARE trying to make a difference?
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PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
| 12/15/2005 1:21 PM |
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Originally posted by guest
Oh Pilchard, this is old news. fmc have been funded by the arts council for ten years . Angela's brother has been on the council for two. also all council members who declare an intrest in any arts organisation are prohibited from contributing to any funding decisions with regards to that organisation. see,no big story for the trib to break.
If you're at all interested in the reality of all of this, here's a couple of figures for you.
fmc is the ONLY popular music client of the arts council.
fmc's annual grant is under a fifteenth of that received by opera. fmc brings in 4 times more funding from sponsorship of various activities (including HWCH, one of its flagship projects) than it receives in gov funding
fmc constantly lobbys the arts council and other funders on behalf of bands and solo artists
fmc is a FREE resource
fmc is a not for profit organisation
funders read boards like these, do you think you could maybe contribute rather than have a go at people who ARE trying to make a difference?
OK "guest", here are some responses to your points above
> fmc is the ONLY popular music client of the arts council.
which begs the question "why"? why did the arts council decide to spend that paltry sum of money ONLY on this organisation? just what do the various collectives actually do? how many people do they work with?
The FMC should NOT be the only "client" of what is a tax payers-funded cultural group. There are many other groups, organisations and events which deserve funding far, far more than the FMC, It seems to be the case that the FMC are just better at filling out forms than anyone else (and lobbying the "right" people)
Also, does this make the FMC the new Music Base? And who's the new Keith Donald?
> fmc constantly lobbys the arts council and other funders on behalf of bands and solo artists
not very successfully, if popular music is still only getting such a paltry sum. did the FMC have an involvment with that failed Music Board thing from a while back? That was another government inititaive which went south. Just what does the FMC lobby the AC about?
> fmc is a FREE resource
dont know what this has to do with the price of eggs, most of the info which the FMC produce and distribute is widely available elsewhere online (and not just bought-in stuff from abroad, but information properly aimed at irish interests).
It may be "free" but it seems to be very selective about the acts it works with (see the Music from Ireland initiative)
> fmc is a not for profit organisation
kinda goes with the last point.
> funders read boards like these, do you think you could maybe contribute rather than have a go at people who ARE trying to make a difference?
oh wow!!!!! The AC might be reading this (hey mary! hey theo! hey rosaleen!) and withdraw all that lovely money to the FMC cos of what some anonymous person called pilchard has to say. its like bringing down the government.
Get real, guest! I "contribute" by buying CDs and going to shows put on by Irish bands. I then "contribute" by telling people if I think its worth their while going to see these bands, buy these CDs. I also "contribute" by telling people to steer clear of certain stuff which I've seen/heard which I dont think is much cop. That's how I "make a difference". that's how everyone at cluas makes a difference. thats how you REALLY make a difference.
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Patistuta New Member Posts:16
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| 12/15/2005 3:31 PM |
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Get real, guest! I "contribute" by buying CDs and going to shows put on by Irish bands. I then "contribute" by telling people if I think its worth their while going to see these bands, buy these CDs. I also "contribute" by telling people to steer clear of certain stuff which I've seen/heard which I dont think is much cop. That's how I "make a difference". that's how everyone at cluas makes a difference. thats how you REALLY make a difference.
that's how we all contribute. we all buy cds, go to gigs, buy t-shirts from bands at gigs, that's pretty much a given. the whole point i was making was that the arts council don't fund popular music enough, why don't you want FMC getting it? no it's not a new music base, no they were not involved in the music board. fmc work in music under three areas, Education,Collectives and Information / advice
to answer your question re: musicfromireland..the festivals pick the bands NOT fmc.
and just to keep everything straight..I am a past board member of FMC.
alas, missing the point again and i really think you should do your homework before having a go
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PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
| 12/15/2005 6:37 PM |
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Originally posted by guest
alas, missing the point again and i really think you should do your homework before having a go
where exactly did i miss the point?? and what's this "again" about?? where else did i "miss" the point?? About this or anything else? Eh???
I always find that those who refuse to discuss the main, substantive issues (ie in this instance why it's FMC who are the Arts Council favourites) and engage instead in namecalling usually dont have a clue what they are on about. By ignoring the questions, they hope it will go away.
if you re-read my posts, you will see that i have asked several questions about the FMC and the FMC/Arts Council relationship, you, "past board member" have not bothered to answer them. and u say i'm not doing my homework???
The FMC, like Music Base before it (a body who were also involved in education, information and advice and who didnt have a clue what they were doing), ticks certain boxes for the funding body and is thus able to get cash that more worthy potential beneficiaries are unable to access because they dont know the right people. even in irish rock & roll, nepotism rules OK |
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