Una I thought you didn't like Pete Doherty? "If he didn't like crack no one would call him a waster"

i dont think she was saying she didn't like him when she said that, more defending him?

I don't know Pete Doherty, so I can't really say whether I like him or not. What I can judge is his music. The new single is good. Has anyone else heard it?

yup i likes it, although im not sure if the version i heard is the single edit? good tune though

I dont read stuff about Pete Doherty because it's all pretty boring. Because I don't pay attention to his press, it fails to irritate me. I didn't watch him on Live 8 either, so I don't have an opinion. Some of the Babyshambles stuff appeals to me, other stuff less so, but I like this single. Interesting structure, good lyrics, catchy chorus, good bassline. Good track.

I'm talking about the tabloid press where he apparantly appears in regularly with dumb crack stories. Obviously I read reviews because I'm interested in the music, but the former stuff is generally what people refer to when they say 'Pete Doherty's Press'

I'm a big Libs fan and I've stood up for Doherty on more than one occassion but even I have to admit that f**k forever is a mess. I think Doherty's a seriously talented individual but the rest of that Baby Shambles gang are a bunch of chancers. They're piss poor musicicians who can't play to save their lives. The new tune is messy, sprawling poorly produced and it sounds like a rough demo of a first draft of a tune that was knocked out during a sound check in a s**tty club. It's a million miles away from tunes like Time For Heroes or What A Waster. While the Libs were messy they always sounded passionate and driven and vital. This just sounds half arsed. If any one wants to make up their own mind they can watch the video for the single here; http://www.nme.com/features/112867.htm

^^^What he said. Rest of the band are complete chancers. He was horrendous at live8, rubbish. In saying that, at Glasto f**k fovever and the last tune were decent but hard to ignore the previous half hour of inane warbling into the microphone. They maybe good recorded but from my experience they are atrocious live.

I see that the release of this single has been postponed - the record company are suggesting that the band are not happy with it. I saw Doherty at Live8 - I was lucky enough to be a few metres from the front of the stage. I've read some of the tabloid press and listened to the Libertines. I firmly believe that this guy's music would not be taken seriously were it not for the fact that he seems to be a "...tragic icon..." in the making. Beside me in the crowd, there were 2 guys going nuts. I asked them why. One replied that "... appreciate him while we still have him..." and "... he's our generation's Cobain...". Right. His singing was awful. He hadn't bothered to learn his lyrics. Elton's band kept him in it. It was car crash stuff. Compelling in its sheer awfulness. The Libertines are probably the most over-hyped band in recent years (how in under God has Mick Jones picked up so many producer awards for those records?). I would like to see Doherty slip into obscurity. It might just keep him alive.