Rev JulesVeteran Member Posts:1041
7/3/2005 6:27 PM |
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Hi there, well I finally peeled myself from the sofa in the the wee hours of this morning after watching practically all of Live 8, whaddya all think ?
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DaraghAdvanced Member Posts:666
7/3/2005 6:40 PM |
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didnt get to see all of it, but Pink Floyd blew me away. They were in a league of their own (from what i saw anyway, can't really imagine anyone else competing either)
They should have finished with them, not Paul mcCartney who has managed to transform himself into a pretty sad cabaret act. When will someone tell him that the Long and Winding Road is a s**te tune?!?
Thought Elton and Pete Doherty singing Children of The Revolution was a bit weird (nice little kiss at the end though) the sound for it was pretty poor.
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BinokularVeteran Member Posts:1665
7/3/2005 8:47 PM |
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I was at my parents place, they've got Sky Digital, I watched it for a bit then flipped over to watch Fifth Gear, followed by the Dutch Supercar cup and some French Supermoto, occasionally flipping back over to catch a bit of U2 and Pink Floyd, but it just couldn't compete with a bit of hi-octane action I'm afraid. Whether that says more about me being a total petrolhead or the concert being teensy bit dull, I don't know.
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CarlsbergBasic Member Posts:215
7/4/2005 10:36 AM |
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Felt that the concept behind it was as genuine as before but that the atmosphere there was more one of a mini festival. There were acts there that we curse and bemoan 24/7 who never speak out about 3rd world debt or poverty and to be honest i wonder if some of them even know where sopme of the countries in this dire situation are.
There was something so sincere about LIVE AID in 1985. It was about Michael Burke, who sent those images back and opened the worlds eyes to what was happening in a region which was not a million miles from where we all live, (ie) Europe. We didnt know about it then but we've known about it ever since and still 20 years on, those countries, that continent remain in as bad economic crisis and even worse political crisis then in 1985. It was about Bob Geldoff, going live on tv and telling people that "people are dying NOW". It was about musicians clearing their diaries at the last minute to fly to london at "stupid-o-clock" to record a christmas single which was to be out in 10 days after the original idea was conceived. It was about all of that and it all came together in such a short period of time and surprised and blew away everyone.
So, on Saturday I switched on the find Jonathan Ross, someone who i like for his take the piss antics when called for, presenting a concert effectively, which was geared at cancelling 3rd world debt. Someone, who couldn't interview Bob Geldoff properly on his show(friday night with jonathan ross) nor asked a proper question until Bob had to have a mini rant about how he should take the subject more seriously.
I completely agree with the cabaret style of Paul McCartney comment. I nearly vommitted when Mariah Carey brought on her african boys and girls choir inbetween asking for "water" and then a "mic stand". Always a drama queen and still a drama queen, and a drama queen at the completely wrong place and wrong time. It was about Entertainers, it was about current acts and for me personally, it was not until the Who & Pink Floyd arrived that the whole thing took on some importance. Pink Floyd has not played together in that line up for 24 years, but they put aside differences to see the bigger picture and THATS what LIVE AID was about and thats what LIVE 8 should have been about. The Bigger picture. U2 were as always, genuine to the bone and Bono started the show as i thought it was meant to go on, by capturing my attention, repeating what we all ready know, but nevertheless, making sure we knew it.
Yes we have to run with the acts that are around at the time and i understand that you cant just recapture the feeling and monster like emotion which surrounded 1985 but at least attempt to make the day about the third world and try and make the world weep a little.
I find it really sad that the most moving thing for me on the day was Pink Floyd waving goodbye to the 200,000 people there and wondering if i'd ever see them play again. But i felt sad because they decided that Saturday 2nd July 2005 was the day they decided to be big and turn out for a "genuine protest" against the "G8" and that is what matters. To finish, it was about people giving their time for free to a greater cause and I am sure they meant it in good faith but the feeling of that was not there for me.
Carlsberg
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AntistarAdvanced Member Posts:544
7/4/2005 10:50 AM |
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Great opening from U2 and McCartney eventhough the crowd were completely unresponsive. Coldplay and Richard Ashcroft worked so well, great to hear 'Bittersweet Symphony' again.
I then lost all interest: Elton John and some strange man stumbling around the stage mumbling into the microphone (what's that? that was Pete Doherty? Oh right.Like he really cares about Africa. Twat).
UB40????!!!!!ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Snow Patrol: Inspid in the extreme.
Razorlight: A bad Boomtown Rats, if that's possible.Talking of the Boomtown rats, did we really have to be subjected to Bob's singing?
Killers: Saw em interviewed backstage, bunch of charmless, charisma-free, inarticulate dullards.
Madonna: 'Are you ready to change HISTORY?' YOU can't change history Madonna, because, well, it's already happened and there's nothing you can really do about it at this stage. You could invent a HG Wells-type Time Machine and go back and then change it, but Time Machines are a long way off, possibly thousands of years off, if even that.In fact it will probably never happen what with the extremely complex nature of the space-time continuum and so on and the fact that according to Einstein, 'the past, the present and the future is one continuous illusion' Now please s**t off, you horrendously egotistical,overrrated, talentless, annoying woman. No in fact why don't you, Mariah Carey and Robbie Williams spend 6 months volunteering in the most hellish, famine-stricken, Aids-ridden corners of Sub-Saharn Africa doing something real and meaningful rather than spouting empty quasi-compassionate slogans from the stage before jumping into your limousines and going for a nice, expensive meal in the Ivy!!!
Robbie Williams: Oh, please go away you sad buffoon.
The Who: V good, never really been a fan though.
Pink Floyd: The highlight of the day. So good to have them back, really outshone everyone else on the bill, even U2.Agree with Daragh, they are in a league of their own. Hope they tour.
If I see another pampered, well-fed, multi-millionaire film/pop star clicking their fingers at me I'm gonna throw my TV out the f**king window!! I believe we should 'make poverty history' but it's a lot more complex than that, there are a lot of underlying issues at stake that are going to take a lifetime to resolve. How the hell do you just 'make poverty history'?? It's like saying 'make drug- addiction history' or 'make depression history'. Poverty has been with us for centuries and it's not gonna disappear overnight. What can be done is change the trade laws between the developed world and the developing world so Africa can become totally self-sustaining, helping itself from within rather than relying on AID from the outside world. Chris martin is a regular visitor to Africa, in fact he went out there before Coldplay went stratospheric and his 'Make Trade Fair' is the best way we can go about helping Africa, a cause that can yield real results and quickly.
I too would love to go out to Africa and volunteer and hopefully will one day, to see the situation for myself, rather than having Bob Geldof bullying me into what to say, do and think about what's going on in this continent.
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DaraghAdvanced Member Posts:666
7/4/2005 11:16 AM |
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also thought Elton John in particular was a bit of a hypocritical choice, how many millions has that man spent on flowers alone, never mind shoes, tiaras, and glasses.
Antistar is damn right too, fair trade is really the only way forward, also as was mentioned somewhere else, greater control of the arms trade couldnt hurt at all
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aidanAdvanced Member Posts:638
7/4/2005 11:41 AM |
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I watched it in France, where we only got to see bits and pieces of the London concert. It being the first day of the Tour de France, I jumped between the cycling, the tennis and the highlights of the Lions getting battered by the All-Blacks. The Paris concert line-up was terrible: Craig David topped the bill! And most French rock music is terrible - former tennis star Yannick Noah is a huge rock star here! However, Shakira's, em, 'dancing' was the highlight for most people (i.e. the lads) - wow!! she certainly made up for Maria Sharapova not being in the Wimbledon final
Apart from the raunchy gyrating, it was never going to have the same effect as Live Aid because we are all so used to seeing loads of international acts on the same stage - for summer festivals as well as for charity concerts. Once-offs like Pink Floyd are the only interesting things. People have 'fatigue' of concert-events and celebrity-consciences by now. Something new is needed.
Instead of the finger-clicking, a more effective symbol would have been if African and western acts had duetted on the day (and I don't just mean the mighty Youssou N'dour reduced to being Dido's backing singer - talk about injustice!!!). Imagine U2 and N'dour duetting on 'One', Macca and Tinariwen ripping into 'Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band', Peter Gabriel and Damon Albarn introducing some of their collaborators.... a grand gesture of solidarity was needed instead of the usual patronising 'we feel your pain' condescension of Madonna and co.
Also, the message was too vague: 'make poverty history' is an empty, meaningless slogan. I agree with antistar - the message should have been more constructive, highlighting fair trade is an example of something active and constructive that we can all do every day without pandering to the image of 'poor little Africa'; there are plenty of ambitious, sophisticated, intelligent and motivated people in Africa who are responsible and who we can work with, engage in trade, etc, and THAT'S how Africa will develop.
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The_Thin_ManBasic Member Posts:137
7/4/2005 12:06 PM |
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Others here have higlighted the ethics/effectiveness of the project better than I can, but on a musical note I found the Pink Floyd set incredibly emotive.
A very rare major festival moment when the one band - who hadn't gigged together in X years - levelled all others. And cynical f**ker that I am, even I was moved by Water's quiet remark about Syd. Back to lighting one, kicking back, and looking at those sleeves again!
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CarlsbergBasic Member Posts:215
7/4/2005 12:16 PM |
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quote: Originally posted by The_Thin_Man
Others here have higlighted the ethics/effectiveness of the project better than I can, but on a musical note I found the Pink Floyd set incredibly emotive.
A very rare major festival moment when the one band - who hadn't gigged together in X years - levelled all others. And cynical f**ker that I am, even I was moved by Water's quiet remark about Syd. Back to lighting one, kicking back, and looking at those sleeves again!
"Better than I can"..!?!
Wouldn't worry too much Thin Man.. that was very well put! Never think your too cynical either, just see it as less trusting.
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EoinBasic Member Posts:174
7/4/2005 3:43 PM |
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it was all for a great cause as we all know but 99% of it was s**t lets face it. Apart from....
The Who....Fantastic, nice to see Steve White on drums for em too. After all these years to be still capable of a performance like that ! Rolling Stones take note please !
Pink Floyd.... Simply blew me away. I have never had a feeling like that in my life watching a TV screen. It was emotional stuff especially with the dedication to Syd. It just looked and sounded so right to have Waters back with them too.
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PunchbowlBasic Member Posts:205
7/4/2005 4:30 PM |
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Thought REM were very good.. Again, they're not considered Big League anynore so they wasn't a big fuss made over them, but Man on the Moon was easily the best performance of the day.
Scissor Sisters were truly awful. I would say the joke is wearing thin, but it's not a joke. And that's scary. And strangly funny.. But mostly scary ( Like three Quarters of a monster )... What's happening??
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Rev JulesVeteran Member Posts:1041
7/4/2005 11:01 PM |
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quote: Originally posted by Binokular
I was at my parents place, they've got Sky Digital, I watched it for a bit then flipped over to watch Fifth Gear, followed by the Dutch Supercar cup and some French Supermoto, occasionally flipping back over to catch a bit of U2 and Pink Floyd, but it just couldn't compete with a bit of hi-octane action I'm afraid. Whether that says more about me being a total petrolhead or the concert being teensy bit dull, I don't know.
I saw this online and thought, if you could organize a whip around, it might be the perfect xmas prezzie Herr Doktor. Its only £199,999.00 and you might need military clearence.
http://www.iwantoneofthose.com/ZZL39JET.htm
Best
J
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kierryBasic Member Posts:244
7/5/2005 12:24 AM |
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bob + bono.
tsk.
well meaning chaps. but all this s**t, calling blair and brown the 'paul and john of politics', and saying bush is 'the american president that has done the most for africa' is crap. it gives the people in power the chance to do a little and be applauded for it.
which means it takes attention away from the bad they're doing. consistantly.
anyway, the performances were mostly s**t. liked annie lennox though...
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BinokularVeteran Member Posts:1665
7/5/2005 2:59 PM |
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quote: Originally posted by Rev Jules
I saw this online and thought, if you could organize a whip around, it might be the perfect xmas prezzie Herr Doktor. Its only £199,999.00 and you might need military clearence.
http://www.iwantoneofthose.com/ZZL39JET.htm
Best
J
Bargain! Then again you'd be a bit nervous about unleashing me on a fighter jet if you saw the way I drive. Its given me a brilliant idea though, forget all this Live8 nonsense. How about a cash for toys deal for corrupt third world leaders? Offload some of that surplus military hardware to people with too much cash, provided the money is put back into helping the countrys' poor (first world and former eastern bloc countries could be eligible too!). I'm sure a certain member of Pink Floyd is looking for something interesting to add to his collection. I wonder will anyone do me a good deal on Steyr-Puch Pinzgauer?
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