OptimusBasic Member Posts:312
2/16/2005 12:33 PM |
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I've not been on this site for a while as I've been snowed under at work. And oh how I wish I had been here when the "Are Moderators taking control", or whatever the hell it was called, thread was posted.
I am disgusted at how the mod's have been attacked. Calling them "facist swines" is completely out of order, if not redundantly childish that you feel the need to use a cliché to express your "feelings". Just because they may seem like a faceless entity on that "controls" the site, doesnt mean they arent there to do a job that they are supposed to do.
For those of you who have a problem with certain topics being blocked, locked or deleted, who the hell do you think you are to abuse the members of staff. Isnt there enough pathetic angst in the real word without letting it creep onto here?
While I may agree with, Emu, i believe it was, that closing a thread that relates to a topic about who the negative presences in the music industry are, as being a bit much, I can also see the whole thing from the moderators point of view. Saying something derogatory about someone in the industry, especially on a discussion forum, can be constrewed as liable. And while you may think you've gotten away with it, the possibilities of someone getting pissed about it, especially one of the representatives of said "popstar", are huge. And who gets it in the neck? You? The bigmouth gobsheen at home? HAH! You dont get anything except the rantings of fellow members to either substantiate or stand against your 2 cents worth of posting. Meanwhile, the moderators, or even the person who owns the site, may get into trouble, because you MORONS cant keep your mouth shut.
Making general comments, I'm sure, is less antagonistic, and therefore, a live and let live policy is probably in use. But naming names and expressing VERY negative views about those people can cause an awful lot of problems for the site you so dearly care about and continue to visit every day.
Short sightedness is something that the majority of society has in abundance these days. Not worrying about the repurcussions of something that can be done or said. Well you should f**king worry, because if something happens to this site because of something YOU'VE said, it'll be YOUR f**king fault.
And with regards to Roseanne Barrs Armpit's afore-mentioned insult, I'd expect nothing less from someone with a screen name like yours. If you dont like how things are done on this site, go somewhere else. Do you think you'll be missed? Do you think that your contributions to this site are special? Who cares if you come or go? You yourself are faceless and I'd question your "bravery" of attacking the people who keep this site running so that YOU can come on here and abuse them, and wonder if you'd be half as cocky in person as you are while remaining firmly hidden in your little room where you are safe from the real world.
I'm not saying I'm innocent. Anyone who knows me on this site knows that I'm very vocal and quite negative about things. However, I like to think that I'm mature enough to maintain a level of decency that wont effect the reputation of the site, even though I embarass myself by slipping into old ways every now and then.
If you dont respect other people or their views, then you shouldnt be on a discussion forum.
This however, goes for the Moderators also. The purpose of a discussion forum is to offer a haven for free speech. Keep that in mind next time you decide to close a thread.
However that is all I will say to the mods. Mostly because at the end of the day, Moderators are there to keep the peace. Police the site if you will. Thats their job. Every website does it.
And if you have a problem with that than you're either one of two things:
1> An idiot with a chip on their shoulder and therefore a troublemaker.
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2> A student with a problem with authority, like every other che guevara wearing, marxist loving, walking cliché that possibly sits in and around the central bank area on a saturday.
The time to grow up is now my friends. And if you dont like it, then go to some other website where you can peddle your negative wares to the applause of other like minded people, and sleep safely in the knowledge that you're still a numbnut!
This isnt the place for it because it will control situations that potentially can and often do swing out of control.
And thats just the way it is.
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Bez Light yearNew Member Posts:28
2/16/2005 3:02 PM |
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Thanx fot that
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dope fiendNew Member Posts:78
2/16/2005 3:34 PM |
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should we devise a system were it is easy to detect when sarcasm is being used or implied. think on that
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ArchieBasic Member Posts:458
2/16/2005 5:55 PM |
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quote: Originally posted by dope fiend
should we devise a system were it is easy to detect when sarcasm is being used or implied. think on that
There is: it's called a wink a smiley face or a small comment along the lines of "I was only messing there chum" or even the classic "that was sarcasm don't you know".
I agree that the attack on the moderators was completely unwarrented. But what has happened here? everybody has said what they needed to say, we all know things were said that were perhaps out of line, but most of the current active threads are talking about this argument, not discussing it, just giving out and not getting anywhere.
We're all here because we love music right? Music is usually a force that unites people, not divides them (with the exception of a certain Irish band beginning with the letter Glen that crops up every now and then around these parts!). The Cluas forums have in the past been home to interesting and constructive musical debate and I'm sure I'm not the only one who has been introduced to new acts here. So why not all just get back to what we're all here for: the exchange of musical ideas and information.
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mickBasic Member Posts:411
2/18/2005 2:28 PM |
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quote: Originally posted by Archie
I agree that the attack on the moderators was completely unwarrented.
what happened? did one of them get assaulted leaving the office or something.
its the internet people. relax for f**k sake.
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El DuderinoBasic Member Posts:179
2/19/2005 2:56 AM |
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quote: Originally posted by Optimus
you MORONS cant keep your mouth shut.
That's slander isn't it?
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BinokularVeteran Member Posts:1665
2/19/2005 12:15 PM |
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No its a plain old fashioned insult, legally theres a difference. Slander for example would be me accusing someone of stealing the Cluas petty cash without proof, an insult is just calling someone an idiot or similar term of abuse. Either way we don't like to encourage either. Folks, listen to Archie, who probably deserves the the honorary title of ""official voice of reason", its all in the past, lets get back to the music.
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ArchieBasic Member Posts:458
2/19/2005 5:50 PM |
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quote: Originally posted by Binokular
Folks, listen to Archie, who probably deserves the the honorary title of ""official voice of reason", its all in the past, lets get back to the music.
I like it!
I'm going to put it on my CV...
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OptimusBasic Member Posts:312
2/24/2005 10:23 AM |
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That's slander isn't it
when taken out of context it is.
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2/26/2005 9:21 PM |
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what's all that about che t shirts etc?
i know the type: post-modern political correctness gone mad an all the rest.
it aint me,
babe!
and yet i have been nasty on this board from time to time. never quite as insulting as your condescending and intolerant post, though, optimus. expressing ones opinion is not quite so bad as writing off entire categories of people as being possesed of unimportant opinions methinks.
and as for all that "in the real world" bollix: this is not the real world. most don't care what is said on these things, although one often feigns indignation for the purposes of a good thread. get over yourself and start having a little fun for f**k's sake. i hardly think the person who called the mod's fascist swines was loosing any sleep over it. if you cannot detect the inherent humour in comparing something as inane and harmless as this board to a facist regime then you've to seriously think about seeking out this "real world" of which you speak. now, feel free to insult me in my presence, just so long as yopu make it funny enough to be worth reading.
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dope fiendNew Member Posts:78
2/27/2005 1:11 AM |
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i like you
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EoinBasic Member Posts:174
2/28/2005 1:58 AM |
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quote: Originally posted by bear
what's all that about che t shirts etc?
i know the type: post-modern political correctness gone mad an all the rest.
it aint me,
babe!
and yet i have been nasty on this board from time to time. never quite as insulting as your condescending and intolerant post, though, optimus. expressing ones opinion is not quite so bad as writing off entire categories of people as being possesed of unimportant opinions methinks.
and as for all that "in the real world" bollix: this is not the real world. most don't care what is said on these things, although one often feigns indignation for the purposes of a good thread. get over yourself and start having a little fun for f**k's sake. i hardly think the person who called the mod's fascist swines was loosing any sleep over it. if you cannot detect the inherent humour in comparing something as inane and harmless as this board to a facist regime then you've to seriously think about seeking out this "real world" of which you speak. now, feel free to insult me in my presence, just so long as yopu make it funny enough to be worth reading.
well said sir !
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OptimusBasic Member Posts:312
3/8/2005 3:53 PM |
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expressing ones opinion is not quite so bad as writing off entire categories of people as being possesed of unimportant opinions methinks.
I never said it was unimportant. Expressing opinions is one thing. Subjecting a person to abuse because they're doing their job and someone else doesnt like it, is ridiculous.
I hate nannyism in it's highest forms. But tolerance is something that's not in abundance these days and some people need to be educated. Life isnt as black and white as all that. And the impression that I get about alot of people on this board are that they're both students and anti-authority. When I was in college, these types were the che guevara, marxist, "fight the power types" and all they talked about was control and power.
Authorities are there for a reason. Weither it be here OR the real world. And a level of respect should be in action at all times.
When someone attacks someone else because they're doing what they're supposed to be doing, especially on something as fragile as a website, the tolerance goes right out the window and all hell breaks lose. And in the end, the website will suffer.
Cluas is a good website, but there are dozens of other music websites out there too. Do you think it'll matter to the powers that be if it gets closed down as a result of some immature members who cant control themselves? The only ones who'll suffer are the people who own and run the site. And possibly the people who genuinely like the site.
But they dont own the space on the net. They rent it. And they can be "evicted" in a heartbeat by said powers that be because of other people's actions.
I may have over-reacted slightly. But sometimes it's better to fight fire with more educated fire. And at the end of the day, weither its the real world or the internet, there's a certain smugness that arises in certain people because they know they can get away with more online than they can in real life. Especially, and specifically, when it comes to expressing opinions or even picking a fight. Believe me, I know. And believe it or not, I used to be a lot worse than I am now.
You may not like what I said, but I still stand by it to varying degree's.
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john@soundweb.ieBasic Member Posts:201
3/8/2005 4:08 PM |
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em, can't we just create a "yawn" folder where discussions go when they're bold... if ya know what i mean... then those who wish to keep going, keep going and those who wish to avoid, do...
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adminBasic Member Posts:399
3/8/2005 9:08 PM |
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quote: Originally posted by john@soundweb.ie
em, can't we just create a "yawn" folder where discussions go when they're bold... if ya know what i mean... then those who wish to keep going, keep going and those who wish to avoid, do...
Ha! I smiled when I read this! I had been thinking about setting up a new folder like this only there last week. Let me fink about it. Stranger things 'ave 'appened.
eoghan
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OptimusBasic Member Posts:312
3/9/2005 7:53 AM |
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quote: Originally posted by john@soundweb.ie
em, can't we just create a "yawn" folder where discussions go when they're bold... if ya know what i mean... then those who wish to keep going, keep going and those who wish to avoid, do...
Or, you could just not read the topic if it doesnt interest you...couldnt you? Better yet, you could refrain from replying if you want it to end...?
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jmc105Basic Member Posts:188
3/9/2005 8:26 AM |
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quote: Originally posted by Admin
quote: Originally posted by john@soundweb.ie
em, can't we just create a "yawn" folder where discussions go when they're bold... if ya know what i mean... then those who wish to keep going, keep going and those who wish to avoid, do...
Ha! I smiled when I read this! I had been thinking about setting up a new folder like this only there last week. Let me fink about it. Stranger things 'ave 'appened.
eoghan
how funny, i also smiled when i read this!
i don't think you need to go to all that trouble, creating a special folder just for those threads that you don't like - you know, the ones that are in any way critical of you or one of your moderators. i think the policy of locking or "inadvertently" deleting them is working a treat. of course, having a separate folder you could shunt them into would make it easier to ignore and avoid those awkward little questions you or maderators don't want to answer, for fear of actually having to admit being, horror of horrors, wrong.
by the way, i think most of the time the moderators do a great job, and one that i certainly wouldn't be willing to give my time to doing, and on the whole they deserve the gratitude of every user of the forum because without them it wouldn't be able to function.
i also think that, while the focus of the forum will always be music discussion, it does no harm to discuss other topics from time to time. if that just seems too philistine a thought, why not try reading non-music related posts to the tune of your favourite songs?
i know i'd find a rant about free-speech or vigilante moderators much more interesting if it was sung...
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