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Glen says "ouch" as he gets stabbed by a pitchfork
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2/5/2005 11:28 PM
    Well their hopes of finding an American audience with this one just took a hit. http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/f/frames/burn-the-maps.shtml On their well-received 2001 LP--the Steve Albini-recorded For the Birds-- Ireland's the Frames got miles of melodrama out of only a couple of guitar chords. Unfortunately, on their latest release, Burn the Maps, they're far more ambitious. The tracks here frequently sounds as intimate as those on For the Birds, but don't stay that way for long, often ballooning into sweeping arrangements and choruses that find singer Glen Hansard screaming to the cheap seats. It can make for awkward listening. Lost amidst the large-scale production, Hansard sounds particularly bare. On the earnest "Finally"-- the record's best tune-- the Frames strike the right balance between strangled, melodramatic notes and Hansard's sincere vocals. But most other songs on Burn the Maps suffer from bloated arrangements: The delicate folk of "Trying" gives way to U2 stadium-scraping guitar, and "Fake" leaps from three-week-overdue pauses in its verse into a swaggering chorus. "Dream Awake" and "Keepsake" also reach overwrought climaxes they never deserved. Please, guys, please-- one song without strings in the chorus! Just one. I know you have a violinist in your midst, but there has to be another way to bring the bombastitude. "Ship Caught in the Bay" is an interesting experiment, with an Eastern-tinged drum loop and whispered, suspenseful lyrics. Like every track on the LP, it loudens and widens, but this time it's into a hard drum loop and electronic soundscapes rather than stadium rock. "Underglass"-- the only track that sounds like a rocker from beginning to end-- provides some well-needed catharsis. The Frames could have used more tracks with consistent, engaging tones. Instead Burn the Maps often sounds like simplicity transformed into bloat in an attempt to sound interesting. It rarely works: Most of these tracks simply move from captivating to frustrating to regrettable. -Jason Crock, February 2, 2005
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    2/5/2005 11:55 PM
    dead right i told you all . thier still better then jove and keane
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    2/6/2005 12:08 AM
    I agree, although i feel Jove and Keane are quite good i just think the Frames have that cutting edge
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    2/6/2005 12:48 PM
    “And when we sing the chorus / We play the same chords that / We played in the verses / But they’re louder”, The Camembert Quartet
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    2/6/2005 6:06 PM
    Good review from one of the best webzines around. But what have Jove and Keane got to do with this? I thought this was a thread about The Frames trying to break into America?
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    2/7/2005 9:18 AM
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    Good review from one of the best webzines around. But what have Jove and Keane got to do with this? I thought this was a thread about The Frames trying to break into America?
    Very well written view. Not a disaster either really. Breaking America might be a bit ambitious but I'm positive the Frames could be successful and do quite well out of the States.
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    2/7/2005 11:14 AM
    oh sweet jesus.... no wonder you lot locked my post!!! That poor bloody band again. A debate about the Frames in the states and look what comes up.
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    2/8/2005 4:12 PM
    Check out www.stylusmagazine.com to see another review of 'burn the maps.' It's an english/american site and along with pitchfork, a must read. Also, anyone see the pitchfork 100 best albums and singles of the noughties?
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    2/8/2005 8:16 PM
    I looked at the albums chart, #77 should have been #1. Kid A the best album of the millenium so far??? It's a super album and time has certainly been kind to it but I wouldn't go that far. Glanced at the singles one, nice to see the Johnny boy single get mentioned, it's an amazing tune.
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    2/8/2005 8:58 PM
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    Glanced at the singles one, nice to see the Johnny boy single get mentioned, it's an amazing tune.
    I love that tune (even if was produced by one of the Manics). Does anybody know if they've released a follow up yet? On a seperate point what's the story with the disturbing number of sh*t jiggy hip-hop records in Pitchfork's top 100 singles? Are they been bank rolled by MTV Base or what?
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    2/8/2005 9:08 PM
    I think they're just really into the Neptunes and Timbaland, but Outkast came 1 & 2 and as far as I know they make their own beats. As for Johnny Boy, can't find the single anywhere and am having no look getting it off of Shareaza so the occasional time that I hear it on radio is very pleaseant.
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    2/9/2005 5:30 PM
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    I think they're just really into the Neptunes and Timbaland, but Outkast came 1 & 2 and as far as I know they make their own beats.
    I'm sorry but I just don't get it. The lists are riddles with inconsistency. Between them, Ghostface and MF Doom have 5 albums in the top 100 but not one mention in the singles list. The same goes for Aesop Rock and Diplo who both got the nod for their albums but had their excellent singles omitted. I can understand and agree with Pitchfork's obsession with Outkast. I recognise that Eminem and Kanye West are both talented (they still don’t deserve the number of entries they received). I know that the Neptunes and Timbaland are genius's so I can justify the inclusion of their collaborations with mediocre MCs (Missy Elliott and Clipse). I can even swallow the surplus of superior pop from the likes of Justin Timberlake, Kelis, Destiny's Child/Beyonce and Aaliyah. But what’s the story with T.I., Fabolous, Usher, Cam'ron, Jay-Z, Sean Paul, Twista, Nelly, 50 Cent and R Kelly? Their singles are lowest common denominator bullsh*t. If Pitchfork want to be populist they should include Nas or M.O.P. If they're so fond of the Neptunes why did they omit their excellent collaborations with ODB and Snoop Dog. There are some redeeming inclusions such as The Roots and Talib Kweli but for a site that seems to support independent/alternative music their omission of RJD2, Dilated Peoples, DJ Shadow, Mr Lif, Sage Francis, Pharoahe Monch, Atmosphere, J-Live, Buck 65, Jurassic 5, Common, Quasimoto, Blackalicious, Dilated Peoples, Edan, Roots Manuva, Dead Prez and Mos Def is just baffling. And as for Jay-Z, the emperor has no clothes. I don't care how many five star reviews the Blueprint receives, it's still a patchy album. When he's good he's very good (99 Problems) but most of the time he's sh*t.
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    2/11/2005 10:59 AM
    Well it's obvious that you know a hell of a lot more about hip-hop than I do so I'll defer to your superior knowledge on this one, I think I only read the first 2 pages and the top 10 of the singles list anyway.
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    2/11/2005 11:50 AM
    hey stroller you could start a " hip hop for people who think it hip hopstarts and ends with 50 cent" thread, im ignorant of all but the roots (the tipping point) and thats only cos Rahzel worked with bjork and Mike Patton. must say the roots album is a class cd, lyrics are fantastic in places, very clever guys.
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