Gar Veteran Member Posts:1676  
| 5/12/2005 4:04 PM |
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As a music fan, would you regard yourself as being ignornant towards genres of music that wouldn't be your favourite type? This kind of relates to the music snobbery that was previously discussed and might elevate someone to being a music snob if they frown or spit upon other genres. Or does it?
And is someone more likely to cling on to a specific genre the older they get eg. Someone who basically has a rake load of 80s glam rock in their collection but not much else? Or are musicians making the connections between genres easier for us ie. Jay Z working with Linkin Park?
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Daragh Advanced Member Posts:666
| 5/12/2005 4:07 PM |
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of course you would be ignorant towards genres of music that aren't youre type, if you dont get turned on by them, and you don't listen to it, why would you know about it?
That doesn't make you a snob (i suppose that would be more if you cast it all off as rubbish and didnt give it a chance)
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vandala Basic Member Posts:267
| 5/12/2005 4:17 PM |
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I'm almost entirely clueless when it comes to hip-hop, house music and contemporary R&B. I have no particular desire to be educated either.
Shameful, but true.
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BinokularVeteran Member Posts:1665
| 5/12/2005 5:07 PM |
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Being open minded to what comes along is great, but lifes waaay too short to explore everything. What you usually need is someone who is into a particular genre to give you a few pointers as to whats worth listening to. If you just had the best three records in most of the genres out there, you'd have a large and really great record collection. (although not neccesarily one that you'd be 100% happy with either). Electronic/dance music and related genres seem to come up up with more confusing sub-genres than anything else, so I'd reccomend Ishkurs Guide to Electronic Music. Its highly irreverent and needs to be taken with more than a pinch of salt, but that makes it entertaining without feeling you're getting bogged down in trivia, and you do get a good overall idea, plus it has audio clips so you can hear what each genre sounds like. I had hours of endless fun with this, but be warned its a huge bandwidth hog, you will need a broadband connection and sound. Just click on "Launch Ishkur's Guide to Electronic Music!" when you open the web page below:
http://www.di.fm/edmguide/#
have fun!
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Rev JulesVeteran Member Posts:1041
| 5/12/2005 7:02 PM |
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Originally posted by Binokular
Electronic/dance music and related genres seem to come up up with more confusing sub-genres than anything else, so I'd reccomend Ishkurs Guide to Electronic Music.
I defer to the good doctor on this but humbly suggest that country music isn't that much simpler to work your way around - after all, what the hell is Neo Traditional Bluegrass Cowpunk ? - and that isn't a question I want answered any time soon. So instead, I recommend y'all have a quick browse of a very fine BBC site entitled 'A Quick Guide to Country Music'.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/folkcountry/guide_country.shtml
By the way, the term 'country music' was invented by Senator Joe McCarthy to distance it from the term 'folk music' (its original name) which had become associated with artists such as Woody Guthrie. (NB: This is solely a point of historical interest and should not, in any way be taken as an indication of the author's political views. By the way, my trusty old Washburn guitar is called Woody)
Happy twangin' y'all. Don't be strangers now y'hear  |
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DaraghAdvanced Member Posts:666
| 5/12/2005 7:11 PM |
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Senator Joe McCarthy to distance it from the term 'folk music' (its original name) which had become associated with artists such as Woody Guthrie.
woody guthrie... goddam deviant!
incidentally anyone hear Mermaid Avenue with Billy Bragg and Wilco? some really excellent songs, all woodys, so i cant condone them, you'll probably turn a communist if ya listen, and the only good red is one thats dead. |
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Rev JulesVeteran Member Posts:1041
| 5/12/2005 7:17 PM |
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Originally posted by Daragh
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Senator Joe McCarthy to distance it from the term 'folk music' (its original name) which had become associated with artists such as Woody Guthrie.
woody guthrie... goddam deviant!
incidentally anyone hear Mermaid Avenue with Billy Bragg and Wilco? some really excellent songs, all woodys, so i cant condone them, you'll probably turn a communist if ya listen, and the only good red is one thats dead.
Daragh, just in case you might have got the wrong end of the stick, I'm not in anyway condoning McCarthy's stance, simply pointing out that country music should really be called folk music. And by the way, yes, I do have that record and a very fine record it is too. Now, I have to go and practice my Neo Honky Tonk, Post Punk, alt version of 'This Land is Your Land' on the spoons |
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DaraghAdvanced Member Posts:666
| 5/12/2005 7:18 PM |
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oh god no, i wasnt implying that at all, tongue in cheek, mcCarthy was the deviant!
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UnicronVeteran Member Posts:1696
| 5/12/2005 8:23 PM |
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I know virtually nothing about dance music, there is probably some amazing stuff that I'm missing but pretty much everything that I've heard ever has left me cold.
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strollerAdvanced Member Posts:576
| 5/12/2005 8:49 PM |
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I am completely ignorant when it comes to metal, trance, hard house and any genre with the term Prog in it's title and I plan to stay that way for as long as possible. I wouldn't mind a bluffer's guide to Afro-Beat though...
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BinokularVeteran Member Posts:1665
| 5/13/2005 12:40 AM |
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Originally posted by Rev Jules
I defer to the good doctor on this but humbly suggest that country music isn't that much simpler to work your way around
Thats possibly true, but I still think dance music manages to hold its own for having the largest number of pointless sub-genres ever, for example, Ishkurs guide (which is really like a hitchikers guide to the galaxy of dance music, in that "it contains much which apocryphal or at least wildly innacurate") defines "Anthem Breaks" as follows:
"For the most part, this is really just Anthem Trance remixed with breakbeats by breakbeat producers. That's different than Breaktrance, which is Anthem Trance producers making breakbeats that sound trancey. Understand? Neither do I."
Of course its easy to dismiss an entire genre as rubbish, yet sometimes even seemingly crap genres have interesting moments. Take Trance, its an easy target because of all those "Euphoria" compilations and the whole waaay to happy vibe, yet if Ishkurs guide is to be believed (although I reckon he may be going out on a bit of limb here) trance is closely related to a genre invented by the Belgians called EBM. EBM is pretty interesting, bands like Front 242, Nitzer Ebb, etc., A bit like the whole Nine Inch Nails industrial type thing, only better. I don't know a whole lot about this genre but plan to find out, I even reckon its probably the next genre up for something of a revival. Ah what the hell, I'll let Iskur sum it up nicely again:
"Ah yes, here we go: Electronic Body Music. Almost like proto-goa, in its straight-ahead, buzzing synth aesthete. Industrial's true connection to trance, which is why the rest of the genres kinda got dragged with it in this mangled mess of a music genre node. In its raw form here, it's pretty mean, impersonal stuff. I'm not sure how some people can insist that trance is peaceful, euphoric angel music. That's like saying Charles Manson is the next Mother Teresa. Machines don't have feelings, and neither does trance."
Unicron, you probably know more about dance music than you know. If you've ever listened to and liked a New Order record (well other than "Movement" which is really a "Joy Division but without Ian Curtis" record) you're already halfway there. You're practically smack in the middle of Electro territory on a lot of their songs. Listening to New Order is only a small step away from a lot of other dance/electronic acts from the past such as Kraftwerk, Giorgio Moroder/Donna Summer, Arthur Baker etc. and then moving on to artists they've influenced or been contemporaries with such as The Chemical Brothers, Ladytron, Felix da Houscat etc., etc., in fact pretty much almost all dance music in the last 20 years has felt their influence in one way or another. Then theres dance music that people might not automatically associate as being dance music, like LCD Soundsytem, Out Hud and to greater or lesser degrees various other acts in the whole Disco Punk thing.
Right, I'm tired, and confusing myself at this stage... |
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The_Thin_ManBasic Member Posts:137
| 5/13/2005 11:29 AM |
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Originally posted by Rev Jules
[Daragh, just in case you might have got the wrong end of the stick, I'm not in anyway condoning McCarthy's stance, simply pointing out that country music should really be called folk music.
I believe Louis Armstrong, when quizzed by a reporter as to what folk music 'was', succinctly replied:
"All music is folk music. I ain't never heard a horse sing a song." |
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jmc105Basic Member Posts:188
| 5/13/2005 4:53 PM |
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Originally posted by Gar
As a music fan, would you regard yourself as being ignornant towards genres of music that wouldn't be your favourite type?
gar, did you mean ignorant 'of'? cos to me, 'ignorant towards' means something different from what the replies have discussed so far - it means treating someone/something in an insulting manner... plenty examples to be found on this forum... and yes, the inability to treat with respect music/musicians which are not to your personal taste is a form of musical snobbery, among other things... |
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BinokularVeteran Member Posts:1665
| 5/13/2005 5:27 PM |
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You're entitled to your opinion JMC, but dude, way to put a downer on a fun thread, lighten up already and give the singular agenda pushing a rest. You must be tired, agendas are really heavy...
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themire New Member Posts:44
| 5/13/2005 5:31 PM |
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Rn'B is a pile of sh*te though.
 only kidding really..
(though a lot of those dudes like Mario would do my head in.)
it's probably as much about accepting you're not the target audience as respecting the artists, even though it's not your thing. |
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jmc105Basic Member Posts:188
| 5/14/2005 8:51 PM |
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Originally posted by Binokular
You're entitled to your opinion JMC, but dude, way to put a downer on a fun thread, lighten up already and give the singular agenda pushing a rest. You must be tired, agendas are really heavy...
read gar's post. he mentioned the insulting attitude people sometimes have towards music they don't like, and the connection between this thread and the thread about music snobbery. apologies if i found that more interesting than the subsequent "i know nothing about xyz" posts.
as for me having an agenda, the only agenda i have is to be allowed to voice my opinions fairly. i have no desire to open up old discussions, especially since it had nothing to do with you, but i will say that if you experienced the same kind of unfair, cowardly, and just plain dishonest treatment i experienced, you wouldn't forget it in a hurry either.
incidentally, whether it's pleasant or not, the issue of snobbery/ignorance towards certain kinds of music/musicians is very relevant to this forum, and should be looked at. in my opinion.
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kierryBasic Member Posts:244
| 5/15/2005 3:06 PM |
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i like pop and alternative rock.
so if something slips into the pop radar i'll hear it. wherever a genre intersects another i usualyy get educated that way...
but then i find that once you decide what you like you go that direction.
i used to say
"oh i love all music!"
then it was
"oh i love all music, except metal and country"
now its
"i like alternative music, whatever the genre"
hmmn, make sense?
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