GarVeteran Member Posts:1676
7/20/2004 12:47 PM |
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Just wondering if anyone ever follows these yearly nominations. I've discovered alot of good artists through this including Ed Harcourt, Gemma Hayes, PJ Harvey, Gomez. They just released the nominations this morning with Snow Patrol, Franz Ferdinand, Belle & Sebastian, Amy Winehouse, Joss Stone, Keane, The Streets, Basement Jaxx, Jamelia, Ty, Robert Wyatt and The Zutons all involoved. I'm sure Franz Ferdinand will be favourites but I think that The Zutons should win it.
Does anyone know of other really good artists who have been nominated through the years?
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BinokularVeteran Member Posts:1665
7/20/2004 1:14 PM |
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I'm sure a lot of acts pretend they don't care about the mercury music prize but secretly would love to win it!
Personally I reckon Basement Jaxx deserve to win it purely on the strength of Kish Kash, which was one of the best albums of last year. None of the other acts listed produced an album remotely as exciting. Runners up should be The Zutons or Jamelia, who is good enough to take on American R&B divas like Beyonce.
As for my opinions on the rest:
Snow Patrol - Starfighter Pilot was great, but the band seem to have lost their original charm.
Franz Ferdinand - Good, but not that good
Belle and Sebastian - too clever by half
Amy Winehouse - dinner party music for thirtysomethings, yawn..
Joss Stone - Shes young and has a fantastic voice, er.. so what? Soul thats curiously lacking in soul, get an Aretha Frankin (or countless other Stax/Motown female solo artists) record, or maybe even Sharon Tandys recently released compilation if you want to be a bit obscure.
Keane - Like Coldplay, but a bit better, still boring.
The Streets - Lets move things forward, eh? Current album makes no progression over the first.
Ty - Haven't heard his stuff to be honest, its UK Hip Hop init? And not the Streets, good start.
Robert Wyatt - Showing my ignorance yet again, this completely slipped under my radar. He used to be in Soft machine? Haven't heard their stuff either.
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flagmanBasic Member Posts:150
7/20/2004 1:26 PM |
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Excuse me, The Streets' new record is a fine album.
And it's very concept of this linear story of a rough time in the main character's life charting the break up of his relationship and losing faith in his friends and almost giving up, itself pushes things forward.
Me thinks anyway.
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BinokularVeteran Member Posts:1665
7/20/2004 1:52 PM |
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Fine record, no doubt, just not up to the hype I reckon. Linear storyline concept album isn't a new idea though is it? Even Billy Corgan had an ill-fated go at the idea with the "Machina:The Machines of God" album. OK few are as on a personal level as the streets, but see past the geezer stories and dripping sentimentality and this really is pretty unremarkable musically. Its enjoyable, and Mike Skinner can tell a good yarn and even tug the heartstrings at times, but this really isn't pushing the envelope.
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Brain of GBasic Member Posts:161
7/20/2004 2:01 PM |
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That's an exceptionally poor line up of nominees for the Mercury music prize. Is this whats is counted as good music nowadays. I know this is just an opinion but I have to agree with a lot of what Binokular says. I mean, Franz Ferdinand??? And I'm not a huge fan of Snow Patrol or Keane either. Also I find The Streets a bit monotonous but I can see why people like his stuff so I won't pass comment.
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El DuderinoBasic Member Posts:179
7/21/2004 7:08 AM |
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The streets album is one of the most engaging albums I've heard in a long time. The whole idea of a concept album isn't new but it is very hard to pull off properly. I think it is a departure from his first album because he has used a different tact from the first time around. The thing about the streets that really appeals to me is the off beat music and rhymes that he uses and the sheer amount of musical styles he incorporates into his own sound. He doesn't take the easy way out and I think for that reason he is a special act at the moment. Alot of his tunes (to me) sound like they shouldn't work on the first listen but once you've gotten into it, it's very hard to fault. A truly unique act in my opinion
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7/21/2004 9:51 AM |
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i must agree with Brain of G, Franz Ferdinand is pure rubbish. Their songs have no substanse, nothing new, repetiation of the same chord about four hundred times. Look at Take me Out. Plus their image annoys me, they look like four Gary Nevilles with less personality.
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flagmanBasic Member Posts:150
7/21/2004 10:00 AM |
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quote: Originally posted by El Duderino
Alot of his tunes (to me) sound like they shouldn't work on the first listen but once you've gotten into it, it's very hard to fault. A truly unique act in my opinion
That's exactly it isn't it?
I stuck on 'A Grand Don't Come For Free' for the first time and I'm there thinking, what's he doing, singing about bringing back DVD's??
But then it all falls into place.
He is a fantastic writer and artist.
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7/21/2004 10:03 AM |
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his use of words is brill. He has a real understaning on how to make a sentance "work"
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DromedAdvanced Member Posts:900
7/21/2004 12:08 PM |
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Binokular I agree Basement Jaxx should defo win...they've been an innovative force in dance music and crossed several genres cleverly. Kish Kash is a masterpiece and a fantastically well put together album. For a band to be so eclectic, work with so many different artists and yet still maintain their distinct sound and not let it dilute their music is amazing. It is certainly about time they were credited for that. The Zutons would get my second choice without a doubt.
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mutchBasic Member Posts:392
7/21/2004 12:38 PM |
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i've heard a few zutons releases on mtv2, i like it, for some reason they remind me of rocket from the crypt without loud guitars,
am i mad ted? that post modern thing like,
its good though, the videos are top
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GarVeteran Member Posts:1676
7/21/2004 11:30 PM |
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Their album is really impresisve and addictive. Plus they played a stomping set at Oxegen. Vote for The Zutons.
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El DuderinoBasic Member Posts:179
7/22/2004 11:43 AM |
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quote: Originally posted by cheesy
Plus their image annoys me, they look like four Gary Nevilles with less personality.
I think this has to be the best description I've ever heard for Franz Ferdinand. Kudos to you cheesy
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Rev JulesVeteran Member Posts:1041
8/1/2004 1:53 AM |
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Regarding The Streets...
Sh*t But You Know It
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8/3/2004 8:43 AM |
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here's the thing-
i'm in the states right now and here franz ferdinand haven't been so played out, haven't been splashed across every magazine cover on the stands, so i think some people may be having a case of overreaction to the hype. the album's good. NOT as good as the hype would have us believe, and not warranting their kitsch-factor, but it's good. there. whew.
same goes for the streets. Skinner made a damn fine album that''s very clearly a progression from the first. i think he's taking more chances, being more open and even vulnerable on this one
my vote's b&s (i assume dear catastrophe waitress got the nom?) for the sleeper win. and is there any way to cast a vote AGAINST joss stone?
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Rev JulesVeteran Member Posts:1041
8/3/2004 9:50 AM |
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Ok all,
here is a comprehensive list of all nominees and winners of the mercury music prize since its inception. You will notice alot of big names on the list such as U2, Coldplay, Oasis, Spice Girls (?) but these are not winners. Traditionally, the award goes to a sleeper, a record that has not been heavily promoted. Think Gomez for instance.
I wouldn't rule out Robert Wyatt whose albums was on of the 'records of the year' for Uncut magazine.
2004 nominations
(Winner annonced on 7th September)
Basement Jaxx - Kish Kash
Belle And Sebastian - Dear Catastrophe Waitress
Franz Ferdinand - Franz Ferdinand
Jamelia - Thank You
Keane - Hopes And Fears
Snow Patrol - Final Straw
Joss Stone - The Soul Sessions
The Streets - A Grand Don't Come For Free
Ty - Upwards
Amy Winehouse - Frank
Robert Wyatt - Cuckooland
The Zutons - Who Killed the Zutons
2003
Dizzee Rascal - Boy In Da Corner WINNER
Athlete - Vehicles and Animals
Coldplay - A Rush Of Blood To The Head
The Darkness - Permission to Land
Floetry - Floetic
Lemon Jelly - Lost Horizons
Radiohead - Hail To The Thief
The Thrills - So Much For The City
Martina Topley-Bird - Quixotic
Terri Walker - Untitled
2002
Ms. Dynamite - A Little Deeper WINNER
Guy Barker - Soundtrack
The Bees - Sunshine Hit Me
David Bowie - Heathen
The Coral - The Coral
Doves - The Last Broadcast
Electric Soft Parade - Holes In The Wall
Gemma Hayes - Night On My Side
Beverley Knight - Who I Am
Joanna MacGregor - Play
Roots Manuva - Run Come Save Me
The Streets - Original Pirate Material
2001
PJ Harvey - Songs From The City, Stories From The Sea WINNER
Basement Jaxx - Rooty
Elbow - Asleep At The Back
Goldfrapp - Felt Mountain
Gorillaz - Gorillaz
Ed Harcourt - Here Be Monsters
Tom Mcrae - Tom Mcrae
Radiohead - Amnesiac
Shusheela Ramen - Salt Rain
Super Furry Animals - Rings Around The World
Turin Brakes - The Optimist LP
Zero 7 - Simple Things
2000
Badly Drawn Boy - The Hour Of Bewilderbeast WINNER
Richard Ashcroft - Alone With Everybody
Coldplay - Parachutes
M.J. Cole - Sincere
Death In Vegas - The Contino Sessions
The Delgados - The Great Eastern
Doves - Lost Souls
Helicopter Girl - How To Steal The World
Leftfield - Rhythm And Stealth
Nicholas Maw - Violin Concerto
Nitin Sawhney - Beyond Skin
Kathryn Williams - Little Black Numbers
1999
Talvin Singh - OK WINNER
Thomas Adès - Asyla
Denys Baptiste - Be Where You Are
Blur - 13
Black Star Liner - Bengali Bantam Youth Experience
Chemical Brothers - Surrender
Faithless - Sunday 8pm
Manic Street Preachers - This Is My Truth Tell Me Yours
Beth Orton - Central Reservation
Kate Rusby - Sleepless
Stereophonics - Performance and Cocktails
Underworld - Beacoup Fish
1998
Gomez - Bring It On WINNER
Asian Dub Foundation - Rafi's Revenge
Eliza Carthy - Red Rice
Catatonia - International Velvet
Cornershop - When I Was Born For The 7th Time
4-Hero - Two Pages
Massive Attack - Mezzanine
Propellerheads - Decksandrumsandrockandroll
Pulp - This Is Hardcore
John Surman - Proverbs & Songs
The Verve - Urban Hymns
Robbie Williams - Life Thru A Lens
1997
Roni Size/Reprazent - New Forms WINNER
The Chemical Brothers - Dig Your Own Hole
Mark-Anthony - Turnage Your Rockaby
Beth Orton - Trailer Park
Primal Scream - Vanishing Point
The Prodigy - The Fat Of The Land
Radiohead - OK Computer
The Spice Girls - Spice
Suede - Coming Up
John Taverner - Svyati
1996
Pulp - Different Class WINNER
Artists for War Child - Help
Black Grape - It's Great When You're Straight
Fire / Caroline - Mathilde
Manic Street Preachers - Everything Must Go
Peter Maxwell Davies/The BBC Philharmonic - The Beltane
Mark Morrison - Return of the Mack
Oasis - (What's The Story) Morning Glory?
Courtney Pine - Modern Day Jazz Stories
Norma Waterson - Norma Waterson
Underworld - Second Toughest In The Infants
1995
Portishead - Dummy WINNER
Guy Barker - Into The Blue
Elastica - Elastica
PJ Harvey - To Bring You My Love
Leftfield - Leftism
James MacMillan - Seven Last Words From The Cross
Van Morrison - Days Like This
Oasis - Definitely Maybe
Supergrass - I Should Coco
Tricky - Maxinquaye
1994
M People - Elegant Slumming WINNER
Blur - Parklife
Ian McNabb - Head Like A Rock
Shara Nelson - What Silence Knows
Michael Nyman - The Piano Concerto and MGV
The Prodigy - Music For The Jilted Generation
Pulp - His 'n' Hers
Take That - Everything Changes
Therapy? - Troublegum
Paul Weller - Wild Wood
1993
Suede - Suede WINNER
Apache Indian - No Reservations
The Auteurs - New Wave
Gavin Bryars - Jesus' Blood Never Failed Me Yet
Dina Carroll - So Close
P.J. Harvey - Rid Of Me
New Order - Republic
Stereo MC's - Connected
Sting - Ten Summoner's Tales
Stan Tracey - Portraits Plus
1992
Primal Scream - Screamadelica WINNER
Barry Adamson - Soul Murder
Jesus & Mary Chain - Honey's Dead
Bheki Mseleku - Celebration
St Etienne - Foxbase Alpha
Simply Red - Stars
John Taverner & Steven Isserlis - The Protecting Veil
U2 - Achtung Baby
Jah Wobble - Rising Above Bedlam
The Young Disciples - Road To Freedom
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stephenBasic Member Posts:201
8/5/2004 10:00 AM |
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I think the Streets will win after missing out a few years back to Miss Dynamite (he should have won that year, let's face it). And much as I enjoy the second album, it's best tune Dry Your Eyes is the only one that compares to Stay Positive, Turn The Page or Weak Become Heroes.
Sympathy vote an' all...
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