Rev JulesVeteran Member Posts:1041
6/26/2004 12:28 PM |
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Hi all, I was at the Metallica concert last night in the RDS, more because I had never seen them before live and wanted to, than because I am a major fan of Metal. I had heard a great deal about the devotion of their fans and also had followed Metallica's attempt to sue those same fans over music downloads. My overall view of the gig was that Metallica do not deserve the continued devotion of a fan base which, from what I saw, was the most enthusiastic, good natured and accomodating I have ever seen at a gig. I saw only one person being carried off to first aid because of exhaustion, booze etc and in that situation, they were carried off by fellow fans, aided by paramedics and not by the medics themselves. Never seen that at another gig. The band themselves seemed to be going through the motions, even stopping at one point to show off their branded plectrums. They did not play a raft of their greatest tunes such as 'Unforgiven' 'Fuel' or 'Hero'. They did not encore as they should have and, 'Enter Sandman' & 'Whiskey In The Jar' aside, they did not appear to ooze enthusiasm for making a real connection with the crowd. Metallica Fans of Dublin I salute you. Metallica, you're taking some great people for granted.
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LuceraBasic Member Posts:180
6/29/2004 5:33 PM |
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they did play fuel, hero of the day is a weak tune, the unforgiven cant really be pulled off live,
it was an excellent show, ten times better than last year, they seemed into it, for a couple of 40 year olds a two and half hour set with breaks only to solo/show off (what the people wanted) is pretty impressive, The Boss did the same thing in his slane days (accordgin to me dad)
so in true metal style, i'll have to give this one 11/11,
the point you make about the crowd is important and worthwhile to mention, a mate of mine is a cop and he loves working those types of gigs, its usually easy goin for them,
compared to the dylan concert in galway which one of my mates that was also at metallica went to, he witnessed four potential rows from (to quote my mate quoting billy connolly ) "v neck sweater wearing, volvo driving b@stards!"
so basically the middle classes are a pain in backside when not in the comfortable environment of a superpub with an oirish feel
ok prob not fair to the dylan crowd but worth mentioning.
anyway, metallica are still the best at what they do, which is a perfectly acceptable reason to go see them. I commend you.
***small note, lucera the band are not, i repeat not even close to being a metal band, its just one of us love metallica. the others have tried everything, buit nothing has worked.
send suggestions if you want, wont work.
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Rev JulesVeteran Member Posts:1041
6/29/2004 5:48 PM |
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quote: Originally posted by Lucera
they did play fuel...compared to the dylan concert in galway which one of my mates that was also at metallica went to, he witnessed four potential rows from (to quote my mate quoting billy connolly ) "v neck sweater wearing, volvo driving b@stards!"...
Mea culpa about 'Fuel'.
You've raised a good point there.
Metallica Fans - Great, easy going ?
Dylan Fans - Lousy, agressive, argumentative ?
So guys, we throw it out to y'all. What bands/musicians have the best/worst fans in your opinion ?
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KarlitoBasic Member Posts:210
6/30/2004 9:35 AM |
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Best/Worst fans???
I can argue that Singer/Songwriter "fans" are the worst - I've been to a few gigs were the artist playing the gig is the flavour of the month in the Event Guide or some such magazine and the "fans" turn up and talk all the way through. Having said that, I know they are not real fans.
I think Frames fans are pretty good, are pretty loyal and will always have good craic at a Frames gig which is good.
As for worst fans - I can't say I've been at a gig - probably ever - that I have seen aggro at - most people have the craic and don't start s**t with other people.
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El DuderinoBasic Member Posts:179
6/30/2004 10:15 AM |
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quote: Originally posted by Karlito
I can argue that Singer/Songwriter "fans" are the worst
I'd have to agree with that statement. I was a a Josh Ritter gig in the village last year and nobody was even slightly interested in the support acts. Martin Finke was playing and a majority of the crowd were standing at the bar drinking and talking away at the top of their voices. It's basic manners to shut up and listen to someone if you go to a gig but it's rarely the case when drink is being served.
The other side of that coin is that it's up to the act to grab the attention of the crowd. That's very difficult when you're being drowned out though
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LuceraBasic Member Posts:180
6/30/2004 11:20 AM |
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mmm, the whole shut up and listen to me thing, no, you cant do that to me personally after i've paid my money in to be overcharged for beer, i'll have manners yes, but a low volume conversation away from the front of the crowd should be acceptable.
sorry, but i dont think anyone should be taken that seriously. their musicians, as a musician i know something, they're idiots! we all are!hahaha
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El DuderinoBasic Member Posts:179
6/30/2004 11:47 AM |
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Yeah that whole shut up and listen to me attitude doesn't appeal to me either but I've been at some gigs where peolpe have been roaring away totally oblivious to the show going on. No one can complain about discreet conversation going while the act is playing but when that's not the case it can ruin a gig. I'm a musician myself and I would subscribe to the theory of just getting on with it and trying to win the crowd around, but when you're up there with only a guitar to keep you company it can be mighty frustrating when you know no one is listening. The reason that I used Martin Finke as an example is because he soldiered on and didn't do the typical Irish musician thing of pissing and moaning when nobody was listening
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Rev JulesVeteran Member Posts:1041
6/30/2004 3:51 PM |
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quote: Originally posted by Lucera
The Boss did the same thing in his slane days (according to me dad)
It may sound strange but, the above phrase has made me feel REALLY old. I thought about it all evening. Hey, I was only 16 when 'Born In The USA' was released but still...When I went to Stereophonics in Slane two years ago, myself and my mates couldn't believe the number of teenagers who had passed out on the grass before the main event. The whole place looked like that battlefield in 'Braveheart' after the big fight. When we were that age we could only afford one pint, if we could get served at all. We were out for the music. We were there to rock.
Aaggh, I'm being nostalgic. See what I mean. Am I too old to rock ?
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KarlitoBasic Member Posts:210
6/30/2004 4:24 PM |
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Rev
You're never too old to rock - as my old man says - you're only as old as the woman you feel.
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BinokularVeteran Member Posts:1665
7/1/2004 9:30 AM |
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quote: Originally posted by Karlito
Best/Worst fans???
I can argue that Singer/Songwriter "fans" are the worst - I've been to a few gigs were the artist playing the gig is the flavour of the month in the Event Guide or some such magazine and the "fans" turn up and talk all the way through. Having said that, I know they are not real fans.
Sadly thats an affliction that doesn't just affect singer songwriters. I was at a Tycho Brahe (Tychonaut) gig in The Lobby in Cork a while back and some people just would just not shut up! Its pretty bad in a venue like The Lobby which is small and has a reputation as a place where musicians are usually respected, regardless of who they are. There was also a lot of nasty comments and unfair criticism of the band on their website forum the next day from some people who had apparently attended the gig. I just wonder why these people bothered parting with 12 euro to see them in the first place? I totally understand going to see a band out of sheer curiosity, I've done it myself and they have been some of the best gigs I've ever been to, but if someone doesn't like a band its just common decency not to talk so loudly that others have trouble hearing. OK maybe, I'm a little more sensitive to background noise, but I think if people don't like the band, they should just enjoy their pint quietly or even leave if its really bugging them (I have walked out gigs myself - warlords of pez, absolute rubbish), just let others enjoy the gig!
Sorry about the rant folks, but I'm still annoyed over that Tychonaut gig, especially since I couldn't see them when they played the Half Moon recently.
Other bad fans: Still haven't forgiven the Green Day fans for the mudfight at witness about two years back, mud really hurts when it lands on you from 20 metres in the air and you are trying to get the see the Chemical Brothers! Still, it was the band that started it, and hating Green Day fans is kind of like hating dumb kids for being dumb.
Frames fans: nice bunch, the obsessiveness scares me a bit though.
With the metal fans, I think their a bit like bikers really, probably because their the same group of people. They look really hard, but generally nice guys. Always kind of funny when you see a bunch of leather clad guys on harleys in convoy who look like they are going to pillage and burn some village, when in reality they're more likely out raisng money for a kids hospital
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