i think suede's debut is amazing...a glittering guitar album full of invention and sharp lyrical bite (also wonderfully produced)...then came 'dog man star' which was totally different (a rock opera i guess) and was a magnificent if pretentious album...and then suede lost bernard butler and, it seems, any new ideas and have released complete drivel ever since... it's an interesting concept peace03, judging bands solely on their debut, well worthy of a lenghty discussion here i hope...coz even oasis would be considered a great band in this light...'definitely maybe' is, on its own merits, at the time and even now, a truly great album, but it's just hard to rem. this given the piles of s**te they've deemed appropriate to release as records ever since (some of 'morning glory' aside)... it's funny how many bands only have 1 or 2 great albums in them, while others get better with every release, and some bands who have been around for ages are still releasing amazing music...

I agree with all said there Nails. Also, after further deliberation, personally, I think Elvis or the Sex Pistols would be the winners here. Mainly because when they were released, these albums totally changed the music scene at the time. In 1956, people had never heard of rock 'n' roll and then Elvis comes along. Same for the Sex P.'s and punk. It's hard though because musically, I think Stone Roses is far more accomplished. However, as much as I love the man, Ian Brown would lose marks for not having the most accomplished voice. So, I hope I get people thinkin here, there may be some debut's I have overlooked....

I cant really comment on the older stuff...sex pistols etc.. but some more recent (10-15 yrs) debut albums which have impressed me are: Stone Roses - Stone Roses ( im with you there peace03 ) Rage Against the machine ( there again peace03 ) Suedes debut is also top stuff Pearl Jam - Ten...even now it sounds great Jeff Buckley - Grace ( an obvious one i suppose) Interpol - Turn on the bright lights ( i think this is great stuff) Pete yorn - Music for the morning album (his time will come) These are just some of the debuts which i myself think stand out. To others they may be a bit ordinary..and they probably arent all as recognised as some of the more obvious stuff like the roses, but popularity is not a requisition for an album being great

THE SEX PISTOLS - NEVER MIND THE b****x LED ZEPPELIN - 1 VAN MORRISSON - T.B SHEETS HAPPY MONDAYS - PILLS THRILLS AND BELLYACHES

Eh, Pills 'n' Thrills wasn't the Mondays' debut.

Some older debuts i like... The Clash - The Clash Beck - Mellow Gold Jeff Buckley - Grace Jimi Hendrix (Experience) - Are you Experienced? The Smiths - The Smiths Air - Preimers Symptomes Super Furry Animals - Fuzzy Logic Talking Heads - '77 The Small Faces - The Small Faces The Who - My Generation Joni Mitchell - Song to a Seagull Otis Redding - Pain in My Heart Dusty Springfield - You Don't Have to Say You Love Me Martha Reeves - Heatwave Curtis Mayfield - Curtis James Brown - Papa's Got A Brand New Bag The Kinks - The Kinks The Jam - In the City The Undertones - The Undertones The House Martins - London 0 Hull 4 Super Grass - I Should Coco Tricky - Maxinquaye Massive Attack - Blue Lines Orbital - Orbital Primal Scream - Screamadelica Front 242 - Geography The Stranglers - Rattus Norvegicus The Specials - the Specials The Pixies - Come on pilgrim Led Zepplin - Led Zepplin The Doors - The Doors Siouxsie & The Banshees - The Peel Sessions (1977) David Bowie - 1966 Bjork - Debut Elvis Costello - This Years Model Campag Velocet - Bon Chic Bon Genre Badly Drawn Boy - Hour of the Bewilderbeast Doves - Lost Souls Merz - Merz Newer ones: Zero 7 - Simple Things The Coral - The Coral The Streets - Original Pirate Material Fischerspooner - #1 Interpol - Turn on The Bright Lights Black Rebel Motorcycle Club - BRMC Phew!!!

Primal Scream - Screamadelica????????? DEBUT???????????? HAPPY MONDAYS - PILLS THRILLS AND BELLYACHES?????????????DEBUT????????? I DONT THINK SO

fair play to ya badboy..when i was reading down through them i spotted them two errors..i was gonna point them out in a more kinda mannerly way though.. primal scream - sonic flower groove ..arguably the worst debut of all time...in the sense that it really wasnt a fair example of how good the scream were about to become. happy mondays - the squirrell the g- man 24 hr party people plastic face carnt smile white out.....need i even say any more!!!! check your rock bibles childeren...and remember the white lines are not the right lines

Pavement - Slanted and Enchanted Ramones - self-titled Specials - self-titled Wedding Present - George Best just off the top of me head and the bottom of the alphabet

Sorry....did I make a boo boo? Boo Hoo. Actually This Year's model is'nt Elvis Costello's debut either I've just realised. But I'm not going to get my knickers in a knot. Suggest you do the same.

IN fact Badboy..why don't you add something to the thread instead of two line retorts?

my apolpgies dromed for being so rude.

If the idea is supposed to be "big splash-debut release", well, then: Talking Heads - 77 Pistols - Never Mind The Bollocks The Clash - The Clash Television - Marquee Moon The Roches - The Roches The Velvet Underground and Nico Kenickie - At The Club Steely Dan - Can't Buy A Thrill AC/DC - High Voltage Half Man Half Biscuit - Back In the DHSS REM - Murmur

my ignorance shames me.But for f**k sake relax will ye. Here are some more great debut albus. Led Zeppelin 4 - i think thats their debut yeah Leonard Cohen - The definetive Rolling Stones - 1977-81 collection

vandala, good to see 'murmur' in there...i was only about 7 when it was released so i can't really talk but if you think back to what would've been around at the time (1983), it would've been like that album just mysteriously dropped from the heavens to crush the piles of s**te like duran duran and christ knows what else that would've been steaming there then in all their stinky mess...that record still sounds inventive, romantic and mysterious today, as does the preceeding chronic town ep...great debuts should have a timeless quality...

If memory serves, REM didn't make a splash here until a few years later around the time of Life's Rich Pageant and Document. Strangely enough there was lots of good music around at that time blowing the balls off Duran Duran et al. It was probably the zenith of Indie record companies with the likes of the Smiths, New Order, Joy Division, the whole Scottish scene (Orange Juice, Aztec Camera etc) and loads of Krautrock. I suppose no matter what is in the charts, there is always good music outside the mianstream.

just on that vent, 'murmur' was a hugely influential record even at that time, in the US at least (eg. it got rolling stone's #1 album 1983 for what that's worth)...and the smiths at least didn't appear till the year after i think...but yeh, of course there was great music at the time that people were discovering outside of what was in the charts etc. and that dynamic will never change...i guess i was just just overstating my point coz i'm an r.e.m. nut to be honest!

I shall defer to your better knowledge of REM King O. Certainly they were not well known here until after Murmur. I remember them crossing my radar in about 1984 when they were big on the college scene in the States but only started to be recognised and the albums imported around Document (of course this was back in the good old days when you had to go into the likes of Dolphin discs and wade through the Foster and Allen albums and get them to order anything outside of the top 40 at premium prices). Which album was it they recorded in London? Was that Murmur? I seem to recall they were going to call it a day if that had not sold as recognition on the college scene was not paying the bills.

Guess again Spleeno. It was Fables of The Reconstruction they recorded in London, a wonderful album full of harmony & sweet melody. It was quite a dark record, I've heard some people call it the 80s version of Automatic For The People but it was truly undermined by brutal production in the London studio. Yes they were thinking of breaking up at the time, but I'm not sure if it was primarily because of the bills, it was because they were constantly on the road, tired, homesick etc. Still a great record though. I know all this because I also am an REM nut. Are you going to the gig? Q2